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| On 29/4/07 13:31, in article
1177849869.597719.71000@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"marzipan1960@gmail.com" <marzipan1960@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear URGlers,
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> I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
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> http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
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> Any ideas ?
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> 5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
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> thanks..
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> Mike.
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Could it be Leptospermum scoparium 'Burgundy Queen'. If so, it's one of the
Myrtle family.
It's beautiful, whatever it is!
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| Mary Fisher 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
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<marzipan1960@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear URGlers,
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> I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
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> http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
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> Any ideas ?
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> 5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
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> thanks..
>
> Mike.
>
I reckon it's a camellia
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| marzipan1960@gmail.com 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| On 29 Apr, 14:44, "Mary Fisher" <mary.fis...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
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> I reckon it's a camellia
I reckon Sacha's right ... it apparently flowers all year .. I'd
guessed at Hebe for the leaves ...
http://www.smgrowers.com/info/images.asp?strLetter=L
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| Leptospermum scoparium - Burgundy Queen.
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<marzipan1960@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear URGlers,
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> I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
>
> http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
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> Any ideas ?
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> 5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
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> thanks..
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> Mike.
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| marzipan1960@gmail.com 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| On 29 Apr, 14:22, Sacha <s...@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29/4/07 13:31, in article
> 1177849869.597719.71...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
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> "marzipan1...@gmail.com" <marzipan1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Could it be Leptospermum scoparium 'Burgundy Queen'. If so, it's one of the
> Myrtle family.
> It's beautiful, whatever it is!
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Thanks !
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| Steve Wolstenholme 2007-04-29, 9:25 am |
| On 29 Apr 2007 05:31:09 -0700, marzipan1960@gmail.com wrote:
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>Dear URGlers,
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>I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
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>http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
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>Any ideas ?
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>5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
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>thanks..
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>Mike.
There is one in my garden that has just finished flowering. I have
always thought it to be a variety of Camellia.
Steve
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| On 29/4/07 15:12, in article kr9933hu43nrjtq52iv1n36esl28e0bm8j@4ax.com,
"Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29 Apr 2007 05:31:09 -0700, marzipan1960@gmail.com wrote:
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> There is one in my garden that has just finished flowering. I have
> always thought it to be a variety of Camellia.
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> Steve
If it IS Leptospermum, Steve, the flowers are a lot smaller than a Camellia.
Here's a link to a pic of another but different one:
http://tinyurl.com/ywgp2x
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 1:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 29/4/07 15:12, in article kr9933hu43nrjtq52iv1n36esl28e0bm8j@4ax.com,
> "Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> If it IS Leptospermum, Steve, the flowers are a lot smaller than a
> Camellia.
> Here's a link to a pic of another but different one:
> http://tinyurl.com/ywgp2x
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That is http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk which Hubbard is advertising. Well
worth a look and full of lots of interesting information from lots of
sights.
Go and take a peek over the fence.
Mike
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| Steve Wolstenholme 2007-04-29, 1:25 pm |
| On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:17:04 +0100, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29/4/07 15:12, in article kr9933hu43nrjtq52iv1n36esl28e0bm8j@4ax.com,
>"Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>If it IS Leptospermum, Steve, the flowers are a lot smaller than a Camellia.
>Here's a link to a pic of another but different one:
>http://tinyurl.com/ywgp2x
I was comparing the flower size with the leaf size. The leaves on mine
are about an inch long, the flowers are about 2.5 inches across.
Which plant is it?
Steve
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| Stewart Robert Hinsley 2007-04-29, 1:25 pm |
| In message <1177849869.597719.71000@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
marzipan1960@gmail.com writes
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>Dear URGlers,
>
>I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
>
>http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
>
>Any ideas ?
>
>5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
>
>thanks..
>
>Mike.
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Are the petals fused or separate? They're looking fused to me, but that
could be the photograph, not reality. (The rose family doesn't have
fused petals.)
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| On 29/4/07 16:30, in article 2ce933llpu37edbumnaakf707s9753jm72@4ax.com,
"Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:17:04 +0100, Sacha
> <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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> I was comparing the flower size with the leaf size. The leaves on mine
> are about an inch long, the flowers are about 2.5 inches across.
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> Which plant is it?
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> Steve
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It looks to me and others like Leptospermum scoparium 'Burgundy Queen'. If
you do a Google image search on that, you'll get some idea of what that
looks like.
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 1:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 29/4/07 16:30, in article 2ce933llpu37edbumnaakf707s9753jm72@4ax.com,
> "Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> It looks to me and others like Leptospermum scoparium 'Burgundy Queen'.
> If
> you do a Google image search on that, you'll get some idea of what that
> looks like.
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> Sacha
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That is http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk which Hubbard is advertising. Well
worth a look and full of lots of interesting information from lots of
sights.
Go and take a peek over the fence.
Mike
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| Steve Wolstenholme 2007-04-29, 1:25 pm |
| On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:37:40 +0100, Sacha
<sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29/4/07 16:30, in article 2ce933llpu37edbumnaakf707s9753jm72@4ax.com,
>"Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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>It looks to me and others like Leptospermum scoparium 'Burgundy Queen'. If
>you do a Google image search on that, you'll get some idea of what that
>looks like.
Yes, you're right, it looks like my plant is a Leptospermum scoparium.
I bought it as a red Camellia for my wife about ten years ago because
she always wanted something to brighten up the garden early.
How will I break the news?
Steve
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| Stewart Robert Hinsley 2007-04-29, 5:25 pm |
| In message <nmm9335hjujlvbi5b6bvob46r4v9s4rkf7@4ax.com>, Steve
Wolstenholme <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:37:40 +0100, Sacha
><sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>Yes, you're right, it looks like my plant is a Leptospermum scoparium.
>I bought it as a red Camellia for my wife about ten years ago because
>she always wanted something to brighten up the garden early.
>
>How will I break the news?
>
>Steve
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I've checked my files and within the limits of the photograph I'd agree
with the identification as Leptospermum. In particular the flower looks
like one I have photographed as L. scoparium 'Ron Glory' (perhaps an
error for 'Crimson Glory').
However if your flowers are about 2.5 inches across it's not any
Leptospermum I've ever seen. (Leptospermum flowers are about 1.5-2 cm
acrooss. 2.5 inches would fit a Camellia.)
Leptospermum and Camellia don't look alike, but I'm struggling for a
form of words for an easy single character distinction. Single Camellia
have a cylindrical ring of stamens, often fused at the base. (18th
century botanists tended to lump them, and more so some of their
relatives like Stewartia, Gordonia and Malachodendron, with mallows
because of this character.) But single Leptospermums have a similar
feature (but with fewer stamens).
Camellias have large glossy leaves, comparable in size with the flowers.
Leptospermums have small leaves, even smaller than the relatively small
flowers. If your plant has 2.5 inch flowers and 1 inch leaves it may be
neither a Camellia nor a Leptospermum. It may be premature to break the
news (but if it does the desired job does its identity matter).
When does your plant flower? Nothing with red flowers that flowers early
other than Camellia and Rhododendron comes to mind (unless you could
Hamamelis).
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| On 29/4/07 19:03, in article nmm9335hjujlvbi5b6bvob46r4v9s4rkf7@4ax.com,
"Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:37:40 +0100, Sacha
> <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
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> Yes, you're right, it looks like my plant is a Leptospermum scoparium.
> I bought it as a red Camellia for my wife about ten years ago because
> she always wanted something to brighten up the garden early.
>
> How will I break the news?
>
"Hello darling, I've bought you its cousin", while producing genuine
Camellia. Seriously, it might still be possible that what you have is a
Camellia. We have one with very small white flowers, planted by Hyams here
over 50 years ago. We think it's Cornish Snow - think, not sure. Maybe
there's a red Camellia of a similar size as to flower? This site might
help:
http://www.camellialodge.com.au/PAG...0CAMELLIAS.html
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| 'Mike' 2007-04-29, 5:25 pm |
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"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 29/4/07 19:03, in article nmm9335hjujlvbi5b6bvob46r4v9s4rkf7@4ax.com,
> "Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> "Hello darling, I've bought you its cousin", while producing genuine
> Camellia. Seriously, it might still be possible that what you have is a
> Camellia. We have one with very small white flowers, planted by Hyams
> here
> over 50 years ago. We think it's Cornish Snow - think, not sure. Maybe
> there's a red Camellia of a similar size as to flower? This site might
> help:
> http://www.camellialodge.com.au/PAG...0CAMELLIAS.html
>
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> Sacha
> Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts.
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That is http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk which Hubbard is advertising. Well
worth a look and full of lots of interesting information from lots of
sights.
Go and take a peek over the fence.
Mike
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'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy
www.rneba.org.uk
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| Dave Hill 2007-04-29, 5:25 pm |
| On 29 Apr, 13:31, marzipan1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear URGlers,
>
> I've come across this pretty shrub in a garden I'm helping with :-
>
> http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/...eryshrubdj7.jpg
>
> Any ideas ?
>
> 5 petals, reddish foliage, so I'm thinking rose family ?
>
> thanks..
>
> Mike.
I have to go with Sacha on this look at the pictures on
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...FonUuE-Nns0YT6v
sJw&um=1&tbnid=sy68aw2-dVN0qM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&ei=rA81Rti_N5DA0QTHp9S0Dw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDouble%2BLeptospermum%2B%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN
for the flower form and then http://www.treknature.com/gallery/O...photo107378.htm
for the seed pod that is on the left of your picture,
I think if your shrub has flowers 2 1/2 inches across then I'd love to
have cuttings or some of the seed pods please
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries
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| On 29/4/07 22:33, in article
C25ACDB9.4AD83%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk, "Sacha"
<sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29/4/07 19:03, in article nmm9335hjujlvbi5b6bvob46r4v9s4rkf7@4ax.com,
> "Steve Wolstenholme" <steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
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> "Hello darling, I've bought you its cousin", while producing genuine
> Camellia. Seriously, it might still be possible that what you have is a
> Camellia. We have one with very small white flowers, planted by Hyams here
> over 50 years ago. We think it's Cornish Snow - think, not sure. Maybe
> there's a red Camellia of a similar size as to flower? This site might
> help:
> http://www.camellialodge.com.au/PAG...0CAMELLIAS.html
And further to this, could it be Camellia Little Slam?
http://www.camellias-acs.org/images.../LittleSlam.jpg
There is a gallery of Camellia pics there.
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