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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines, the
new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my very
expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
!!!
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars
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| Yes Baby 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
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"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
> Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines,
> the
> new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
> The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
> party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my
> very
> expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
> solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
> completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
> !!!
>
> --
> Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
> http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
> and Lapageria rosea cultivars
>
>
and I saved £300 + £6 by staying with XP Pro....................and
installing my old Office 2000.
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| Cat(h) 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines, the
>new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
>The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
>party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my very
>expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
>solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
>completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
>!!!
The only difficulty I have ever had with working between Open Office
and MS Office was with teh OO equivalent of Powerpoint - which is far
more intuitive than the MS version - but the animations I had set up
on Open Office did not turn out to work on Powerpoint. Plus the
person I emailed it to could not open it - just as well I had saved as
MSPP and brought my memory stick with me. I just had to do without
the animations.
Cat(h)
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| Pam Moore 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines, the
>new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
>The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
>party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my very
>expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
>solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
>completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
>!!!
Very useful info Charlie. We shall all have to face up to Vista at
some point, no doubt. Good luck!
Pam in Bristol
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| cineman 2007-07-22, 8:25 pm |
| open office was free download last time I downloaded it??
It is compatible with almost all known office suite programmes and indeed is
with office 2000.
Excellent utility.
"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
> Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines,
> the
> new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
> The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
> party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my
> very
> expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
> solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
> completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
> !!!
>
> --
> Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
> http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
> and Lapageria rosea cultivars
>
>
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| David \(Normandy\) 2007-07-23, 3:25 am |
|
"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
> Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines,
> the
> new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
> The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
> party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my
> very
> expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
> solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
> completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
> !!!
>
> --
> Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
> http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
> and Lapageria rosea cultivars
>
I'm avoiding Vista for as long as possible (I'm a professional software
developer) and the majority of my business colleagues are avoiding it too -
other than to try it out and prod and poke it without using it in any
serious way yet. It is too slow, takes too much memory, has a huge amount of
irrelevant bloat and has compatibility problems with numerous pieces of
software and hardware.
So until it is forced upon us by the demise of XP we are avoiding it like
the plague! It is also proving to be a support headache too, with the
increased security affecting it's ability to run various programs which just
leave end users baffled when their favourite program starts coughing up
error messages or Vista spews out security messages. Pile of poo in my
professional opinion, just another money spinner for Microsoft with
questionable benefits for everyone else - and this from someone who makes
his living writing software to run on Microsoft computers!
David.
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| Uncle Marvo 2007-07-23, 3:25 am |
|
"David (Normandy)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote in message
news:46a45e77$0$5080$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> I'm avoiding Vista for as long as possible (I'm a professional software
> developer) and the majority of my business colleagues are avoiding it
> too - other than to try it out and prod and poke it without using it in
> any serious way yet. It is too slow, takes too much memory, has a huge
> amount of irrelevant bloat and has compatibility problems with numerous
> pieces of software and hardware.
>
> So until it is forced upon us by the demise of XP we are avoiding it like
> the plague! It is also proving to be a support headache too, with the
> increased security affecting it's ability to run various programs which
> just leave end users baffled when their favourite program starts coughing
> up error messages or Vista spews out security messages. Pile of poo in my
> professional opinion, just another money spinner for Microsoft with
> questionable benefits for everyone else - and this from someone who makes
> his living writing software to run on Microsoft computers!
>
As a developer too, I think you're being far too generous.
It isn't that good.
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"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
> Thanks to a lightening strike I have had to replace one of our machines,
> the
> new one has "Vista" (I expect I will get used to it in time!)
> The point of this posting is just to say that while much of my old third
> party software has gone on without a murmur the same was not true of my
> very
> expensive MS Office (2000) and I thought people may like to know I have
> solved the problem by changing to "Open Office" which so far seems
> completely compatible in both directions with ms office and only costs £6
> !!!
>
You'll be running it on Linux next ...
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| David \(Normandy\) 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
|
"Uncle Marvo" <paul.r@deletethisbitfortescue.org.uk> wrote in message
news:5gj5maF3dh3l0U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "David (Normandy)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote in message
> news:46a45e77$0$5080$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> As a developer too, I think you're being far too generous.
>
> It isn't that good.
Vista is a real pain as far as I'm concerned. I develop quite complex
business software that needs to generate user reports (in Word or Excel)
using whatever combination of versions of MS Windows and MS Office they have
installed. So far I've been able to maintain compatibility from Windows 98
through XP using Office 97 through to 2003. I fear Vista and Office 2007
have broken the mould, so many applications will either not work or will
need completely re-writing to run on those platforms. The support calls are
starting to come in :-(
I have another large client in Manufacturing that I developed a highly
complex, bespoke system for around 10 years ago. It has had various tweaks,
enhancements and upgrades over the years, but the important thing is the
software has evolved with their business and does exactly what they need.
Vista breaks compatibility, which leaves the company with a dilemma. Do they
continue using XP past Microsoft support lifetime and avoid Vista or do they
have the software re-written. As the software already does everything they
need they ask why they have got to spend vast sums of money having it
re-written from scratch? A very good question.
David.
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:19:59 GMT, Pam Moore <NOSpam.moore@NOSPAMvirgin.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
><charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>Very useful info Charlie. We shall all have to face up to Vista at
>some point, no doubt. Good luck!
Although I see websites trying to sell it, you may like to know you can download
Open Office free.
http://www.openoffice.org/product/
"OpenOffice.org is free software
* you may download OpenOffice.org completely free of any licence fees
* install it on as many PCs as you like
* use it for any purpose - private, educational, government and public
administration, commercial...
* pass on copies free of charge to family, friends, students, employees,
etc."
You can download it from here
http://download.openoffice.org/
--
Martin
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:57:48 +0100, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, BAC wrote:
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
> You'll be running it on Linux next ...
I've lurked in this ng for a while now, picking up some useful gardening
tips. :-)
I changed to using GNU/Linux 10 years ago. For me, it was best thing I
ever did. No viruses, not having to defrag etc..
And if I don't like one distribution, I can change to another.
--
Why linux doesn't have viruses
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/188
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| David \(Normandy\) 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
|
"William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu> wrote in message
news:qraen4-4k5.ln1@wp.kubuntu704.eu...
> It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:57:48 +0100, that as I was
> halfway through a large jam doughnut, BAC wrote:
>
>
> I've lurked in this ng for a while now, picking up some useful gardening
> tips. :-)
>
> I changed to using GNU/Linux 10 years ago. For me, it was best thing I
> ever did. No viruses, not having to defrag etc..
> And if I don't like one distribution, I can change to another.
I think open source / Linux is definitely the future. Microsoft's monopoly
can only last so long. I've recently got a copy of Linux Ubuntu and started
playing with that. Unfortuately I've not got it to recognise my modem yet,
so can't use it to access the internet. Linux / open source will definitely
take off as it becomes easier for people to install and get working. The
number of free applications available is also increasing. I plan to write a
few myself, time permitting.
David
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| Sally Thompson 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:57:48 +0100, BAC wrote
(in article <1185177480.81832.0@demeter.uk.clara.net> ):
>
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
>
> You'll be running it on Linux next ...
Or a Mac <g>.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk
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"Sally Thompson" <sallynewsgroup@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C2CA41CD00959249F0182648@news.individual.net...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:57:48 +0100, BAC wrote
> (in article <1185177480.81832.0@demeter.uk.clara.net> ):
>
>
>
> Or a Mac <g>.
>
>
Are Mac OS upgrades free?
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| On 23/7/07 08:53, in article 46a45e77$0$5080$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr, "David
(Normandy)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote:
>
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5ghn42F3fnvjsU2@mid.individual.net...
>
> I'm avoiding Vista for as long as possible (I'm a professional software
> developer) and the majority of my business colleagues are avoiding it too -
> other than to try it out and prod and poke it without using it in any
> serious way yet. It is too slow, takes too much memory, has a huge amount of
> irrelevant bloat and has compatibility problems with numerous pieces of
> software and hardware.
<snip>
I've never even heard of Vista! Is it going to affect Mac users. Please
tell me 'no!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:13:59 +0100, Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 23/7/07 08:53, in article 46a45e77$0$5080$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr, "David
>(Normandy)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>I've never even heard of Vista! Is it going to affect Mac users. Please
>tell me 'no!
No!
Oh OK No!
--
Martin
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| Sally Thompson 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:46:29 +0100, BAC wrote
(in article <1185187619.83583.0@demeter.uk.clara.net> ):
>
> "Sally Thompson" <sallynewsgroup@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.C2CA41CD00959249F0182648@news.individual.net...
>
> Are Mac OS upgrades free?
>
>
It's free to upgrade within a major version number from, say Version 10.4.8
to10.4.9 to 10.4.10, but not to jump up to the next version (10.5, known as
Leopard, due out in October). However, there are plenty of people out there
still happily running very early versions of the OS for various reasons.
There's plenty of free or open-source reasonably priced software.
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk
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| Emery Davis 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:17:49 +0200
"David \(Normandy\)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote:
[]
> I think open source / Linux is definitely the future. Microsoft's monopoly
> can only last so long. I've recently got a copy of Linux Ubuntu and started
> playing with that. Unfortuately I've not got it to recognise my modem yet,
> so can't use it to access the internet. Linux / open source will definitely
> take off as it becomes easier for people to install and get working. The
> number of free applications available is also increasing. I plan to write a
> few myself, time permitting.
>
David,
You might try Suse. Ubuntu is a bit gear head.
We now run Suse 10 on several PCs and a laptop. No problem interacting
with a Windows environment using Open Office (which is indeed free). All
HW recognized.
Suse is very touchy-feely and an easy transition for a windows user. It
is also free, of course, so you can buy a new machine without paying MS anything.
For Windows we have 2000 pro on a dual boot, but I can't remember the last time
it was used. The reason is that there is a very good utility called Crossover which
lets you run windows SW under Linux. We use this to run full Acrobat, as well
as Office when a comfort factor is required. (Crossover is not free, though).
You can also run VM, apparently but I haven't done it.
Open Office also works great on the Mac, as well as my Irix box. The average
user certainly will never need anything more.
On topic perhaps I should make a planter from old PCs... Or perhaps not. 
-E
--
Emery Davis
You can reply to ibmemeryamazon@ebayadelkadell.applecom
by removing the well known companies
Questions about wine? Visit http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
|
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:oqr8a313jeenq4hs8e9vqubutu8m6b5geb@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:19:59 GMT, Pam Moore
<NOSpam.moore@NOSPAMvirgin.net>
> wrote:
>
the[color=darkred]
very[color=darkred]
£6[color=darkred]
>
> Although I see websites trying to sell it, you may like to know you can
download
> Open Office free.
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/
>
> "OpenOffice.org is free software
>
> * you may download OpenOffice.org completely free of any licence fees
> * install it on as many PCs as you like
> * use it for any purpose - private, educational, government and public
> administration, commercial...
> * pass on copies free of charge to family, friends, students,
employees,
> etc."
>
> You can download it from here
> http://download.openoffice.org/
> --
>
> Martin
Now he tells me :~)
I am not grumbling it was very cheap really at £5.86
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars
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|
| On 23/7/07 12:12, in article m639a3tvonogf9aksihs1ohred00crvjfj@4ax.com,
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:13:59 +0100, Sacha <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> No!
>
> Oh OK No!
Believe me, the emphasis was very welcome!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 9:25 am |
| It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:17:49 +0200, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, David \(Normandy\) wrote:
> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu> wrote in message
> news:qraen4-4k5.ln1@wp.kubuntu704.eu...
>
> I think open source / Linux is definitely the future. Microsoft's
> monopoly can only last so long. I've recently got a copy of Linux Ubuntu
> and started playing with that. Unfortuately I've not got it to recognise
> my modem yet, so can't use it to access the internet.
It depends on the modem. If it's what's termed as a "winmodem"
or"softmodem", then there are *some* which will work under linux:
http://www.linmodems.org/
There is a how-to here, which may help:
http://www.walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto.html
Hardware modems, such as ASDL modem/routers, are usually detected &
automatically configured by the OS as you install.
> Linux / open source will definitely take off as it becomes easier for
> people to install and get working. The number of free applications
> available is also increasing.
Yes.Ubuntu is based on Debian, & at present there are around 18,700
packages/applications. There is a list here:
http://packages.debian.org/stable/
> I plan to write a few myself, time permitting.
There appear to be plenty of development tools. :-)
http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 1:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:56:53 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:oqr8a313jeenq4hs8e9vqubutu8m6b5geb@4ax.com...
><NOSpam.moore@NOSPAMvirgin.net>
>the
>very
>£6
>download
>employees,
[color=darkred]
>Now he tells me :~)
>I am not grumbling it was very cheap really at £5.86
Ask for you money back. Whoever sold it to you had no right to sell it.
--
Martin
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 1:25 pm |
| It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:20:35 +0200, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:56:53 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Ask for you money back. Whoever sold it to you had no right to sell it.
It's perfectly legal.
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html
Normally you are only charged for the cost of a CD, post & packing etc.
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-23, 5:25 pm |
| Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:kpo9a3hfpmvqnahb67121cge19hbgeb5uc@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:56:53 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ask for you money back. Whoever sold it to you had no right to sell it.
> --
>
> Martin
>
I expect If I read carefully I would find I did not pay for it but something
else like a back up cd or some such, I take your point though.
More worrying is at the moment Vista is flexing its muscles and I have spent
the last 2 hours trying to recover from it freezing after a bit of software
it did not like was attempting to install. now working but I can see a lot
of unexplained activity from the hard drive so am expecting more trouble to
come :~(
Its more trouble than its worth, avoid it if you can, but they do not supply
you a system disc so you can change your mind in the future.
--
Charlie. Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National collections Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
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| Yes Baby 2007-07-23, 5:25 pm |
|
"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C2CA4C07.5377F%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
> On 23/7/07 08:53, in article 46a45e77$0$5080$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr,
> "David
> (Normandy)" <DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> I've never even heard of Vista! Is it going to affect Mac users. Please
> tell me 'no!
>
> --
> Sacha
> http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
> (remove weeds from address)
> 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
> children.'
>
>
what's a Mac............
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"Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> what's a Mac............
it's necessary for this time of year. you might also want to add an
umberella v.2.1 for overall protection.
Wellies may slow down performance
Sue
(using Vista)
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 5:25 pm |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:18:51 +0100, William Poaster <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu> wrote:
>It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:20:35 +0200, that as I was
>halfway through a large jam doughnut, Martin wrote:
>
>
>It's perfectly legal.
>http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html
>
>Normally you are only charged for the cost of a CD, post & packing etc.
In that case why is the price of a Windows version substantially more than the
price of a Mac version in UK?
I paid EUR100 for a copy of SuSE Linux, somebody is posting that that is free
too.
--
Martin
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:52:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:kpo9a3hfpmvqnahb67121cge19hbgeb5uc@4ax.com...
>I expect If I read carefully I would find I did not pay for it but something
>else like a back up cd or some such, I take your point though.
>More worrying is at the moment Vista is flexing its muscles and I have spent
>the last 2 hours trying to recover from it freezing after a bit of software
>it did not like was attempting to install. now working but I can see a lot
>of unexplained activity from the hard drive so am expecting more trouble to
>come :~(
>Its more trouble than its worth, avoid it if you can, but they do not supply
>you a system disc so you can change your mind in the future.
I'm sticking with Win XP until I need to change PC, which will not be in the
near future.
--
Martin
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:43:32 +0100, "Yes Baby" <2468@never2latebtinternet.com>
wrote:
>
>"Sacha" <sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:C2CA4C07.5377F%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk...
>
>what's a Mac............
>
a hockey puck between two slices of bun?
--
Martin
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:40:41 +0200, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:18:51 +0100, William Poaster <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
> In that case why is the price of a Windows version substantially more
> than the price of a Mac version in UK?
Ask M$, they bumped the UK prices for Vista up. Anyone using Windows in
the UK is paying almost *twice* the amount than someone buying it in the
US. http://news.com.com/Petition+demand...a+price+cuts+in
+U.K./2100-1016_3-6161710.html
I know of one corporate accountant who's challenged MS on this, & so far
they haven't answered him.
> I paid EUR100 for a copy of SuSE Linux, somebody is posting that that is
> free too.
If you want to download OpenSusE, a community driven version, it's free.
However the only support would be from newsgroups & forums.
http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version
If you buy a boxed version, you're buying the official Novell/SuSE
release, & probably would get some support when you register the product.
http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/
I used SuSE Linux for 9 years, but changed to Kubuntu last year when
Novell signed a deal with MS.
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| Sally Thompson 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:42:45 +0100, Martin wrote
(in article <l58aa313m2s264srdq9i8dbuud7n9n896g@4ax.com> ):
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:43:32 +0100, "Yes Baby"
<2468@never2latebtinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> a hockey puck between two slices of bun?
>
You're out of date :-)
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:17:49 +0200, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, David \(Normandy\) wrote:
> "William Poaster" <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu> wrote in message
> news:qraen4-4k5.ln1@wp.kubuntu704.eu...
>
> I think open source / Linux is definitely the future. Microsoft's
> monopoly can only last so long. I've recently got a copy of Linux Ubuntu
> and started playing with that. Unfortuately I've not got it to recognise
> my modem yet, so can't use it to access the internet. Linux / open
> source will definitely take off as it becomes easier for people to
> install and get working. The number of free applications available is
> also increasing. I plan to write a few myself, time permitting.
Just another point.
Under the GPL you can install a linux distribution *on as many machines
as you like*, no licence restrictions. I have Kubuntu installed on at
least two of my systems.
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| On 23/7/07 22:42, in article l58aa313m2s264srdq9i8dbuud7n9n896g@4ax.com,
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
>
> a hockey puck between two slices of bun?
Sadly, you will never know.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:28:07 +0100, William Poaster <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu> wrote:
>It was on, or about, Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:40:41 +0200, that as I was
>halfway through a large jam doughnut, Martin wrote:
>
>
>Ask M$, they bumped the UK prices for Vista up. Anyone using Windows in
>the UK is paying almost *twice* the amount than someone buying it in the
>US. http://news.com.com/Petition+demand...a+price+cuts+in
>+U.K./2100-1016_3-6161710.html
>
>I know of one corporate accountant who's challenged MS on this, & so far
>they haven't answered him.
>
I'm talking about Open Office for WinXP on a CD, nothing to do with MS pricing
policies AFAIK.
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>If you want to download OpenSusE, a community driven version, it's free.
>However the only support would be from newsgroups & forums.
>http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version
>
>If you buy a boxed version, you're buying the official Novell/SuSE
>release, & probably would get some support when you register the product.
>http://www.novell.com/products/opensuse/
No, I bought it before Novell got their hands on it.
>
>I used SuSE Linux for 9 years, but changed to Kubuntu last year when
>Novell signed a deal with MS.
I'm quite happy with Win XP.
Reading all the gripes on the SuSE newsgroup makes it look worse than anything
MS can throw at you.
--
Martin
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| Martin 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:31:10 +0100, Sally Thompson
<sallynewsgroup@yahoo.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:42:45 +0100, Martin wrote
>(in article <l58aa313m2s264srdq9i8dbuud7n9n896g@4ax.com> ):
>
><2468@never2latebtinternet.com>
><snip>
>
>You're out of date :-)
A hockey puck in a ciabata roll?
--
Martin
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| William Poaster 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| It was on, or about, Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:00:31 +0200, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:28:07 +0100, William Poaster <wp@kubuntu704-1.eu>
> wrote:
>
>
> I'm talking about Open Office for WinXP on a CD, nothing to do with MS
> pricing policies AFAIK.
Ah, I see. Well you can still download OpenOffice for Windows for free.
But there's nothing to stop someone putting it on a CD & charging for it,
& if someone pays their price.....
>
> No, I bought it before Novell got their hands on it.
So you bought it from SuSE? This was before Novell released it into the
OSS community, & the only way you could get a copy was to buy
it....though some people copied what they'd bought, & sold copies on ebay.
>
> I'm quite happy with Win XP.
>
> Reading all the gripes on the SuSE newsgroup makes it look worse than
> anything MS can throw at you.
SuSE Linux used to be *very* good when it was a German company, but went
downhill after Novell acquired it IMO (& some others). The last version I
had was SuSE 10.0, which had a lot of bugs. It's something which wouldn't
have happened under the original SuSE company IMO. Then Novell signed
with MS, & I decided to move on to another distribution.
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| Sally Thompson 2007-07-24, 9:25 am |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:53:59 +0100, Sacha wrote
(in article <C2CAF017.538B2%sacha@gardenweeds506.fsnet.co.uk> ):
> On 23/7/07 22:42, in article l58aa313m2s264srdq9i8dbuud7n9n896g@4ax.com,
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Sadly, you will never know.
>
:-)
--
Sally in Shropshire, UK
Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation
churchyard:
http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk
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| Chris Hogg 2007-07-24, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:52:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>More worrying is at the moment Vista is flexing its muscles and I have spent
>the last 2 hours trying to recover from it freezing after a bit of software
>it did not like was attempting to install. now working but I can see a lot
>of unexplained activity from the hard drive so am expecting more trouble to
>come :~(
>Its more trouble than its worth, avoid it if you can, but they do not supply
>you a system disc so you can change your mind in the future.
Charlie, you could try asking about your problem on uk.comp.misc; I've
always found them a very helpful lot.
I have no experience of Vista, but when it first came out there were
some adverse comments on the above NG, among which was that it needed
1Gb of memory to run well (AIUI MicroSoft suggest a minimum of 500Mb,
which is technically correct but cripplingly low, although many
machines with that bare minimum were advertised at the time),
otherwise it would be forever swapping stuff between memory and the
hard drive, which slows things up significantly.
If your machine only has 500Mb, increasing it to 1Gb is pretty simple.
On a quiet day, PC World in Truro would probably do it for you while
you wait. Whether it would solve your MSOffice problem is another
question....
--
Chris
E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-25, 3:25 am |
|
"Chris Hogg" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:3ajca3df89pktjohanld9o9g1netoc2r2t@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:52:20 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
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>
> Charlie, you could try asking about your problem on uk.comp.misc; I've
> always found them a very helpful lot.
>
> I have no experience of Vista, but when it first came out there were
> some adverse comments on the above NG, among which was that it needed
> 1Gb of memory to run well (AIUI MicroSoft suggest a minimum of 500Mb,
> which is technically correct but cripplingly low, although many
> machines with that bare minimum were advertised at the time),
> otherwise it would be forever swapping stuff between memory and the
> hard drive, which slows things up significantly.
>
> If your machine only has 500Mb, increasing it to 1Gb is pretty simple.
> On a quiet day, PC World in Truro would probably do it for you while
> you wait. Whether it would solve your MSOffice problem is another
> question....
>
>
> --
> Chris
>
> E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net
I had heard a lot of the adverse comments so bought a machine with 2GM ram.
At the moment its not working and wont even switch on so you could say I am
not a fan!
One of the things they have removed is Control Alt Delete so you have no
choice but to power off then it goes into recovery mode to try and fix the
problem, but this all takes a long time (and so far has not worked) so what
would have been an irritating freeze on my old machine would take only a few
seconds to regain control I find taking hours on this one
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars
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| Martin 2007-07-25, 9:25 am |
| On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:58:35 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>I had heard a lot of the adverse comments so bought a machine with 2GM ram.
>At the moment its not working and wont even switch on so you could say I am
>not a fan!
>One of the things they have removed is Control Alt Delete so you have no
>choice but to power off then it goes into recovery mode to try and fix the
>problem, but this all takes a long time (and so far has not worked) so what
>would have been an irritating freeze on my old machine would take only a few
>seconds to regain control I find taking hours on this one
On my WinXP Dell I can get the same effect as Ctrl Alt Delete by holding in the
power button. Dunno if that will work on your PC or with Vista.
My son's new Dell with Vista runs most thing he uses without a problem.
--
Martin
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-25, 9:25 am |
|
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:so3ea3tjvjtqhbbg6fd9qhmc1hs3tnov6r@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:58:35 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
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> On my WinXP Dell I can get the same effect as Ctrl Alt Delete by holding
in the
> power button. Dunno if that will work on your PC or with Vista.
>
> My son's new Dell with Vista runs most thing he uses without a problem.
> --
>
> Martin
Machine is back where it came from and we have a new one, the previous one
was pronaunced unrepairable! no wonder I was not immpressed.
So how I go with mark 2 (and it apparently should have had c alt del)
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars
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| William Poaster 2007-07-25, 9:25 am |
| Martin wrote:
<snip>
[color=darkred]
> No, I bought it before Novell got their hands on it.
Ok, two things.
1] When SuSE made the product (before Novell bought them) it wasn't free (As
in given away). The only way you could get it (initially) was to *buy* it
from them or a distributor. I bought most releases from 5.0 to 9.4. After
that, Novell bought the company SuSE GmbH & allowed you to download a
release from their ftp site, or mirror.
2] Once you'd bought it, the SuSE Linux OS was *yours* (Unlike windows which
is only *licenced* to you, it still belongs to MS).
SuSE was/is *free* for you to do what *you* want with it. You could install
it on as many PCs as you like, with NO licence restrictions.
Heck, you could even make copies & give them away to friends & family if you
wished! :-)
In the context of opensource software, "free" doesn't necessarily mean it's
free as in "no charge" (though a lot of applications are free). What it
means is that once you have it, you are free to do what *you* want with it.
I hope that answers your question more clearly. :-)
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| Charlie Pridham 2007-07-25, 5:25 pm |
|
"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5gor19F3e5gtqU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:so3ea3tjvjtqhbbg6fd9qhmc1hs3tnov6r@4ax.com...
> ram.
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> am
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> the
> what
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> few
> in the
>
> Machine is back where it came from and we have a new one, the previous one
> was pronaunced unrepairable! no wonder I was not immpressed.
> So how I go with mark 2 (and it apparently should have had c alt del)
>
> --
> Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
> http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
> and Lapageria rosea cultivars
>
Well machine two switched on so that was an improvement of sorts! somewhat
marred by the monitor not working, zip, zero, not a glimmer. So it has to go
back tomorrow, but at least by using an old monitor I can see the computer
is working.
I notice that Microsoft have come up with a new buzz word OOBE " Out of the
box experience" the only remotely funny thing about the whole few days imo!!
--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cultivars
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| Martin 2007-07-25, 5:25 pm |
| On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:40:44 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:5gor19F3e5gtqU1@mid.individual.net...
>I
>no
>a
>
>Well machine two switched on so that was an improvement of sorts! somewhat
>marred by the monitor not working, zip, zero, not a glimmer. So it has to go
>back tomorrow, but at least by using an old monitor I can see the computer
>is working.
>I notice that Microsoft have come up with a new buzz word OOBE " Out of the
>box experience" the only remotely funny thing about the whole few days imo!!
Followed by BIBE - Back In Box Experience?
Digital - DEC invented "Customer over Expectations" sounds like you are
suffering from a bit of that too. :-)
--
Martin
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| David \(Normandy\) 2007-07-26, 3:25 am |
|
"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
news:g9jfa35i85fh4prbs9bbtvoers1pi99ihj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:40:44 +0100, "Charlie Pridham"
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Followed by BIBE - Back In Box Experience?
>
>
> Martin
Shouldn't that be the VIBE - Vista is Boll**ks Experience?
David.
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| Martin 2007-07-26, 9:25 am |
| On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:44:00 +0200, "David \(Normandy\)"
<DavidNormandy@spamme.not> wrote:
>
>"Martin" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
>news:g9jfa35i85fh4prbs9bbtvoers1pi99ihj@4ax.com...
<snip>
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JIBES? Jack in Box Experience?
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>
>Shouldn't that be the VIBE - Vista is Boll**ks Experience?
Bad Vibes, David? :-)
--
Martin
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