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raspberry stalks - how to bush?
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| Hi,
This new house we're in has some raspberries that last summer were
seeming to grow rather well on the edge of our septic tank soakaway
area. The fruit were big and delicious. However, each plant consisted
of just one stalk, about 1.5m high, and, of course, dangling about and
falling all over the place, particularly in the winds.
Is there a way to force raspherries to bush and, if so, when and how
should I do this?
Thanks.
Eddy.
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| Mary Fisher 2008-01-22, 9:25 am |
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"Eddy" <eddy.bentley@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> This new house we're in has some raspberries that last summer were
> seeming to grow rather well on the edge of our septic tank soakaway
> area. The fruit were big and delicious. However, each plant consisted
> of just one stalk, about 1.5m high, and, of course, dangling about and
> falling all over the place, particularly in the winds.
>
> Is there a way to force raspherries to bush and, if so, when and how
> should I do this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Eddy.
It's how they grow, on one cane each. They need to be tied, we have a stake
at each end of the line with several wires between them. The new canes are
tied to the wires when the old ones are cut down in autumn.
Don't let them get too tall either, ours are not more than 4'6" but other
growers might have other sizes. in our case it's because we're small and
couldn't reach much higher :-)
Mary
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| Mary Fisher wrote:
> It's how they grow, on one cane each.
Ah! Right! (My face has gone a little red with embarrassment!) I
shall get some stakes ready.
Thanks, Mary.
Eddy.
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| Robert \(Plymouth\) 2008-01-22, 1:25 pm |
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"Eddy" <eddy.bentley@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote in message
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> Mary Fisher wrote:
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> Ah! Right! (My face has gone a little red with embarrassment!) I
> shall get some stakes ready.
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> Thanks, Mary.
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> Eddy.
You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll send out lots
of new stems and gradually march along your plot
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| Stewart Robert Hinsley 2008-01-22, 5:25 pm |
| In message <gf-dnfLQx5qTuAvanZ2dnUVZ8surnZ2d@bt.com>, "Robert
(Plymouth)" <robert29@beachcomberbtinternet.com.invalid> writes
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>"Eddy" <eddy.bentley@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote in message
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>You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll send out lots
>of new stems and gradually march along your plot
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s/gradually/rapidly/
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Stewart Robert Hinsley
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| Paul Luton 2008-01-22, 5:25 pm |
| Eddy wrote:
> Mary Fisher wrote:
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> Ah! Right! (My face has gone a little red with embarrassment!) I
> shall get some stakes ready.
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Unless they fruited in September (Autumn Fruiting) when no staking is
really needed. Just cut down all the old canes now and a new lot will
soon appear.
Paul
--
CTC Right to Ride Rep. for Richmond upon Thames
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| The Old OakTree 2008-01-23, 9:25 am |
| >>You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll
> Stewart Robert Hinsley
Any suggestions how to get them to march 'along' (in line with
the stakes and wires) rather than 'across' (filling in the
spaces between rows)?
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| Robert \(Plymouth\) 2008-01-23, 1:25 pm |
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"The Old OakTree" <Acorn@forest.com> wrote in message
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> Any suggestions how to get them to march 'along' (in line with the stakes
> and wires) rather than 'across' (filling in the spaces between rows)?
The only way is to dig the rogue ones up as far as I know
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| Mary Fisher 2008-01-23, 5:25 pm |
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"Robert (Plymouth)" <robert29@beachcomberbtinternet.com remove my other
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> "The Old OakTree" <Acorn@forest.com> wrote in message
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> The only way is to dig the rogue ones up as far as I know
Same here.
But it's not guaranteed that you'll get every little bit.
One of my rows marched right along the garden until I realised what was
happening. The other came from next door - and it's now been tamed (sort of)
to be at 90 degrees from the original.
Whatever that was :-)
Mary
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| cliff_the_gardener 2008-01-23, 5:25 pm |
| To get the raspberries to march down the row, one trick is to line the
sides with visqueen - heavy duty plastic - just the sides not the
base. It only needs to go down 12 - 18 inches as the rasps are not
need rooted.
Regards
Clifford
Bawtry Doncaster South Yorkshire
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| Jim Jackson 2008-02-02, 1:25 pm |
| Paul Luton <paul@pluton.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> Eddy wrote:
> Unless they fruited in September (Autumn Fruiting) when no staking is
> really needed. Just cut down all the old canes now and a new lot will
> soon appear.
I've grown autumn fruiting rasps for over 15 years, and upto last year I'd
have agreed with you. However last year my autumns grew very tall (maybe
the excellent april/may) and during the june/july heavy rain fell about
all over the place - some support was needed.
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-03, 9:25 am |
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"Jim Jackson" <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Paul Luton <paul@pluton.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
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> I've grown autumn fruiting rasps for over 15 years, and upto last year I'd
> have agreed with you. However last year my autumns grew very tall (maybe
> the excellent april/may) and during the june/july heavy rain fell about
> all over the place - some support was needed.
I planted one last spring and it hardly grew at all - certainly didn't
fruit.
If it doesn't do better this year I'll be complaining :-(
Mary
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| Amethyst Deceiver 2008-02-04, 9:25 am |
| In article <47a5aaae$0$759$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> "Jim Jackson" <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in message
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> I planted one last spring and it hardly grew at all - certainly didn't
> fruit.
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> If it doesn't do better this year I'll be complaining :-(
Mine took two seasons. I planted a load in spring 2006, and got two
crops in 2007. I'm planting 18 more canes this year and don't expect any
fruit from them till next year.
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Linz
Wet Yorks
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-04, 1:25 pm |
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"Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Mine took two seasons. I planted a load in spring 2006, and got two
> crops in 2007. I'm planting 18 more canes this year and don't expect any
> fruit from them till next year.
So they did well at Tod, that's encouraging.
Mary
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| Amethyst Deceiver 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
| In article <47a72ef2$0$766$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> "Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> So they did well at Tod, that's encouraging.
They did remarkably well. Unlike the gooseberry bush (dead) and the
currants (feeble).
--
Linz
Wet Yorks
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-05, 9:25 am |
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"Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> They did remarkably well. Unlike the gooseberry bush (dead) and the
> currants (feeble).
Our (new) red, black and white currants were extremely feeble last year. We
want to move them and the gooseberry and build a proper fruit cage for them
this year but it's always either too cold (frozen ground) or too wet (sodden
ground). Usually the latter.
The gales blew all the empty bags and plant pots all round the garden,
luckily they didn't get out but I'm fed up :-(
Sun shining today, it might improve ...
Mary
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> Linz
> Wet Yorks
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| Jim Jackson 2008-02-08, 1:25 pm |
| Amethyst Deceiver <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
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> Mine took two seasons. I planted a load in spring 2006, and got two
> crops in 2007. I'm planting 18 more canes this year and don't expect any
> fruit from them till next year.
> Linz
> Wet Yorks
Nah can't be yorks - a true yorkshire person would do as mary did - plant
1 and wait for it to take over :-) I planted 1 Autumn bliss and 1 Fall
Gold 15 years ago, and have a very large bed, and have to pull up the
invaders from the neighbouring veg beds
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-08, 5:25 pm |
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"Jim Jackson" <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Amethyst Deceiver <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
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> Nah can't be yorks
Only just ...
:-)
Mary
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| Amethyst Deceiver 2008-02-11, 9:25 am |
| In article <fohug1$r7c$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, jj@franjam.org.uk
says...
> Amethyst Deceiver <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote:
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> Nah can't be yorks - a true yorkshire person would do as mary did - plant
> 1 and wait for it to take over :-) I planted 1 Autumn bliss and 1 Fall
> Gold 15 years ago, and have a very large bed, and have to pull up the
> invaders from the neighbouring veg beds
I'm in Wet Yorks, but I'm not from Wet Yorks! I did think about just
letting the canes take over but I want the fruit faster than that!
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-11, 9:25 am |
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"Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm in Wet Yorks, but I'm not from Wet Yorks! I did think about just
> letting the canes take over but I want the fruit faster than that!
> --
> Linz
> Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
As long as you ended up in the right place we'll forgive your early career
:-)
Not wet today though, is it! Very foggy this morning but now as clear as
clear, sunny and quite warm.
Spouse is digging holes so that he can move the soft fruit trees. Then he'll
have to build a proper cage. I'm a short term hedonist too and don't want
the hens to get at the berries before I do!
Mary
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| Cat(h) 2008-02-11, 9:25 am |
| On Jan 22, 5:17=A0pm, "Robert \(Plymouth\)"
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> "Eddy" <eddy.bent...@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote in message
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> You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll send out lots=
> of new stems and gradually march along your plot
It wouldn't be so bad if it were just "along". You'll soon find them
*all over the place*!!
My love of raspberries means I am prepared to forgive them for the
amount of pulling of stray stems I have to do throughout the year.
Cat(h)
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-12, 9:25 am |
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"Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 22, 5:17 pm, "Robert \(Plymouth\)"
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> "Eddy" <eddy.bent...@removeALLbutRESTvirgin.net> wrote in message
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> You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll send out lots
> of new stems and gradually march along your plot
It wouldn't be so bad if it were just "along". You'll soon find them
*all over the place*!!
My love of raspberries means I am prepared to forgive them for the
amount of pulling of stray stems I have to do throughout the year.
Cat(h)
Same here but they do disturb my veggies in their small plots so those have
to go. That is, I pull and pull and cut - but of course they still come up.
Too deep rooted to deal with by any other means than digging and I can't do
that when there's a crop.
Mary
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| Amethyst Deceiver 2008-02-12, 9:25 am |
| In article <47b056d8$0$766$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> "Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> As long as you ended up in the right place we'll forgive your early career
> :-)
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> Not wet today though, is it! Very foggy this morning but now as clear as
> clear, sunny and quite warm.
People keep telling me about this fog. I haven't seen any - not
yesterday or today. It's not like I'm up late, the alarm goes off at 6am
and we're out of the house by 7.15am. Crisp, clear, bright mornings
we've had!
The frost melts into wet, of course.
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Linz
Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford
My accent may vary
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| Mary Fisher 2008-02-12, 9:25 am |
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"Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <47b056d8$0$766$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
> mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> People keep telling me about this fog. I haven't seen any - not
> yesterday or today. It's not like I'm up late, the alarm goes off at 6am
> and we're out of the house by 7.15am. Crisp, clear, bright mornings
> we've had!
That's what it's been like here today. Well, that is, from 8.35 when I
prised myself out of the overnight pit.
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> The frost melts into wet, of course.
Here it evaporated. It was almost like sublimation, no water vapour seen.
Probably because the sunlight was so strong.
We're not overlooked by hills of course ... :-)
Mary
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| Amethyst Deceiver 2008-02-13, 9:25 am |
| In article <47b1a9f1$0$770$4c56ba96@master.news.zetnet.net>,
mary.fisher@zetnet.co.uk says...
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> "Amethyst Deceiver" <spam@lindsayendell.co.uk> wrote in message
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> That's what it's been like here today. Well, that is, from 8.35 when I
> prised myself out of the overnight pit.
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> Here it evaporated. It was almost like sublimation, no water vapour seen.
> Probably because the sunlight was so strong.
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> We're not overlooked by hills of course ... :-)
That does make a difference. We do have days when the frost never melts
because the sun isn't above the hills long enough to make a difference.
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Linz
Wet Yorks
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The Old OakTree;771486 Wrote:
> You'll find that to compensate for not being a bush, they'll --
> send out lots
> of new stems and gradually march along your plot-
> Stewart Robert Hinsley-
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> Any suggestions how to get them to march 'along' (in line with
> the stakes and wires) rather than 'across' (filling in the
> spaces between rows)?
I regularly put a mulch of manure along the line. The new roots seem
to look for that instead of spreading. Maybe more luck than judgement
but it does seem to work. Good for cropping too, about 1/2 cwt over
25ft row.
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Bigal
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