UK gardening - Digital projectors? bit OT

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Digital projectors? bit OT

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-19, 5:25 pm

I do talks for garden clubs but my slide projector is starting to show
its age and will need replacing. I was thinking that I ought to consider
changing over to a digital projector but there seem to be several types.
I seldom project onto a bigger than 4'X4' screen.
Also digital images, what's the sort of file size that's required for
reasonable quality? and will scanning my existing slides give good enough
quality? (I have 2000+ slides and the thought of having to retake them
all is a bit daunting!)
I would be grateful for any hints, tips or comments from people who have
changed over.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

'Mike'

2008-02-19, 5:25 pm

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.22253fa7483386bf9897a7@News.Individual.NET...
>I do talks for garden clubs but my slide projector is starting to show
> its age and will need replacing. I was thinking that I ought to consider
> changing over to a digital projector but there seem to be several types.
> I seldom project onto a bigger than 4'X4' screen.
> Also digital images, what's the sort of file size that's required for
> reasonable quality? and will scanning my existing slides give good enough
> quality? (I have 2000+ slides and the thought of having to retake them
> all is a bit daunting!)
> I would be grateful for any hints, tips or comments from people who have
> changed over.
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
> www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

Charlie I wanted one in 2006 for talks and shows and my computer shop did a
search and came up with the 'InFocus' IN20 Series. I am very pleased with
it.

www.infocus.com will no doubt give you more info and at least a place to
start.

When I do talks on the Cruise Ships I use their equipment, but in doing
talks in Hotels etc, (I have just offered my services to the Local Parish
Council) it is very portable.

My screen is the portable 4' x 4' as well :-))

(Just about to get a new Camera so I can increase my scope as required.
Samsung GX-10. Hope to be able to plug it straight into the projector, but
that is not important)

Hope that helps

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

'Mike'

2008-02-19, 5:25 pm

"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:dJudnWa7XZStqSbanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.22253fa7483386bf9897a7@News.Individual.NET...
>
> Charlie I wanted one in 2006 for talks and shows and my computer shop did
> a search and came up with the 'InFocus' IN20 Series. I am very pleased
> with it.
>
> www.infocus.com will no doubt give you more info and at least a place to
> start.
>
> When I do talks on the Cruise Ships I use their equipment, but in doing
> talks in Hotels etc, (I have just offered my services to the Local Parish
> Council) it is very portable.
>
> My screen is the portable 4' x 4' as well :-))
>
> (Just about to get a new Camera so I can increase my scope as required.
> Samsung GX-10. Hope to be able to plug it straight into the projector, but
> that is not important)
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Mike

Looks as if http://www.infocus.com/Products/Pro...s/IN24Plus.aspx is
the latest model

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

sister7diane1@yahoo.com

2008-02-19, 5:25 pm

I wish I had words of wisdom on this topic for you but I am not that
experienced with projectors. I just wanted to express that I
understand the time-consuming and laborious task you have ahead of
you. Good Luck!

On Feb 19, 2:34=A0pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> I do talks for garden clubs but my slide projector is starting to show
> its age and will need replacing. I was thinking that I ought to consider
> changing over to a digital projector but there seem to be several types.
> I seldom project onto a bigger than 4'X4' screen.
> Also digital images, what's the sort of file size that's required for
> reasonable quality? and will scanning my existing slides give good enough
> quality? (I have 2000+ slides and the thought of having to retake them
> all is a bit daunting!)
> I would be grateful for any hints, tips or comments from people who have
> changed over.
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

Sacha

2008-02-19, 5:25 pm

On 19/2/08 19:34, in article MPG.22253fa7483386bf9897a7@News.Individual.NET,
"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:

> I do talks for garden clubs but my slide projector is starting to show
> its age and will need replacing. I was thinking that I ought to consider
> changing over to a digital projector but there seem to be several types.
> I seldom project onto a bigger than 4'X4' screen.
> Also digital images, what's the sort of file size that's required for
> reasonable quality? and will scanning my existing slides give good enough
> quality? (I have 2000+ slides and the thought of having to retake them
> all is a bit daunting!)
> I would be grateful for any hints, tips or comments from people who have
> changed over.

I had my first web site lesson this am and the tutor used one of these - a
new gadget IME! I'll forward your query to him and ask him what he thinks.
He was doing a direct computer to projector job.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 3:25 am

In article <C3E111F8.6580C%sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk>,
sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk says...
> On 19/2/08 19:34, in article MPG.22253fa7483386bf9897a7@News.Individual.NET,
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> I had my first web site lesson this am and the tutor used one of these - a
> new gadget IME! I'll forward your query to him and ask him what he thinks.
> He was doing a direct computer to projector job.
>
I have been watching other speakers who are using them and have decided
that a stand alone model would be best (one less thing to go wrong!) but
its realy the images that are giving me cause for concern, particuarly
ones which are a historical sequence telling a story, I mean you can go
back and retake a flower picture but you can not go back in time! if I
can scan some of those I think I may take the plunge
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Adrian

2008-02-20, 3:25 am

HI Charlie

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:45:14 -0000, Charlie Pridham
<charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <C3E111F8.6580C%sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk>,
>sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk says...
>I have been watching other speakers who are using them and have decided
>that a stand alone model would be best (one less thing to go wrong!) but
>its realy the images that are giving me cause for concern, particuarly
>ones which are a historical sequence telling a story, I mean you can go
>back and retake a flower picture but you can not go back in time! if I
>can scan some of those I think I may take the plunge

Some thoughts for you...

- When you choose a projector, find our what the replacement bulbs
cost. They are not your standard car headlamp bulb - and some of the
prices may make your eyes water, careful choice of projector could
save you lots of money when it comes to replacing the bulb. (You'll
want to carry a spare bulb with you)

- A stand-alone unit will mean you don't have to lug a PC round with
you - but if I was you, I'd make sure that I had 2 copies of the card
/ disk / whatever with your slides on... - call me paranoid !

- Scanning - Some years ago it was possible to buy a carrier that
screwed onto the front of a SLR camera into which you could drop a
slide to copy it. It contained the necessary optics to allow the
camera to fill the frame with the image. You can use a conventional
flatbed scanner, but the results may not be as good, and you'll have
to do some cropping of the scanned image afterwards.
You might find a commercial service that will take a box of slides and
scan them for you - depends how much your time is worth to you vs what
they want to charge you.

- When I was involved in giving presentations (a few years ago) the
digital projector scene was evolving rapidly, and everybody wanted
'this year's model'. You might find that good, second-hand equipment
is a better bet than buying new - maybe from an AV Hire Shop ?

-If you want to get really 'slick' then consider back-projecting your
slides (projector behind the screen). Needs a special screen (not
difficult) but means that you can be presenting in front of the
screen, and no problems with silly blighters making shadow rabbits
across your prize roses <g>

Hope this helps
Adrian

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 3:25 am

In article <YKidnVtSH5WpqCbanZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d@bt.com>, 3d&6d@woolies.com
says...
>
>
>
> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
> news:dJudnWa7XZStqSbanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> Looks as if http://www.infocus.com/Products/Pro...s/IN24Plus.aspx is
> the latest model
>
> Mike
Thanks mike it looks good, I will nip up the road and look at one in the
flesh as they have it at PC world (may not buy it from them though!)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 3:25 am

In article <ceqnr31ae8hc1mr7h3b6c6vdlp3taih0i1@4ax.com>,
adrian@ambquality.co.uk says...
> HI Charlie
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:45:14 -0000, Charlie Pridham
> <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Some thoughts for you...
>
> - When you choose a projector, find our what the replacement bulbs
> cost. They are not your standard car headlamp bulb - and some of the
> prices may make your eyes water, careful choice of projector could
> save you lots of money when it comes to replacing the bulb. (You'll
> want to carry a spare bulb with you)
>
> - A stand-alone unit will mean you don't have to lug a PC round with
> you - but if I was you, I'd make sure that I had 2 copies of the card
> / disk / whatever with your slides on... - call me paranoid !
>
> - Scanning - Some years ago it was possible to buy a carrier that
> screwed onto the front of a SLR camera into which you could drop a
> slide to copy it. It contained the necessary optics to allow the
> camera to fill the frame with the image. You can use a conventional
> flatbed scanner, but the results may not be as good, and you'll have
> to do some cropping of the scanned image afterwards.
Thanks for all that, yes I fancy a stand alone model but am finding that
its not easy to work out which model does it and which does not from the
specs on the web sites.
Yes I was aware that the replacement bulbs were very expensive its been
putting me off while the slide projector was working OK!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Sacha

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

On 20/2/08 08:45, in article MPG.2225f8f088a325f29897a8@News.Individual.NET,
"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <C3E111F8.6580C%sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk>,
> sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk says...
> I have been watching other speakers who are using them and have decided
> that a stand alone model would be best (one less thing to go wrong!) but
> its realy the images that are giving me cause for concern, particuarly
> ones which are a historical sequence telling a story, I mean you can go
> back and retake a flower picture but you can not go back in time! if I
> can scan some of those I think I may take the plunge

I got this reply from him this morning, Charlie. He's in Totnes, so if you
want me to put you in touch with each other, just email me. I sent you my
new address, I hope!

"your friend can probably get a suitable projector for about £200 -£250 now
as there are some real bargains about - but not from a normal retail outlet
- scanning his slides would easiest be done by a lab which has a batch
scanner & while it would cost a bit wouldn't break the bank. I will happily
talk to him if you wish"

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Dave Liquorice

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:01:30 +0000, Adrian wrote:

> - When you choose a projector, find our what the replacement bulbs
> cost. They are not your standard car headlamp bulb - and some of the
> prices may make your eyes water, careful choice of projector could
> save you lots of money when it comes to replacing the bulb. (You'll
> want to carry a spare bulb with you)

Aye, and fanatically follow the power up/down sequence particulary the
power down letting the thing cool properly before moving it. Oh and the
"replace bulb" message after x hours can probably be ignored until the
bulb actually fails or you notice a degraded image. Like printer
cartridges, the makers make their money on the bulbs with "fixed" life...

Pay attention to the specs as well, particulary the image brightness.
Comparing will probably be a PITA as I doubt there is a standard distance
used. So to make sensible comparisions you'll have to take the distance
into account with the inverse square rule. I'm not sure a spec saying x
lumens with a given image size is a reliable method, if the image size
varies you'd still have to correct it and you'd need to know the distance
for that image size.

> - A stand-alone unit will mean you don't have to lug a PC round with
> you - but if I was you, I'd make sure that I had 2 copies of the card
> / disk / whatever with your slides on... - call me paranoid !

For PC read laptop and PowerPoint (or non-windows equivalent) you can add
captions and/or explanatory/title slides in PP very easily. Does a
stand-alone unit take a PP presentation or just image files?

> You might find a commercial service that will take a box of slides and
> scan them for you - depends how much your time is worth to you vs what
> they want to charge you.

Go for the very best scanning you can afford. Preferably with the basic
scanned immage in a "raw" format rather than anything compressed.
Compression throws away information, you orginal scanned image needs to be
the highest quality you can achieve. You then make your slides from that
to what ever the current systems require.

A decent commercial service I'd expect to produce a high resolution raw
image then a selection of different resolution compressed ones per slide.
Don't forget to take a backup copy or three of your scanned images, CD/DVD
media *does* degrade over time. Maybe take another copy every year. Media
is cheap, data is priceless.

What is "high resolution" these days I'm not sure but I'd expect something
over 2400 x 1800 and that's only 4M pixel, quality digital cameras these
days are 10M pixel or above (4800 x 3600 ish) and a colour depth of at
least 24 bits/pixel. For display 800 x 600 or 1024x768 jpeg format will be
fine.

> - When I was involved in giving presentations (a few years ago) the
> digital projector scene was evolving rapidly, and everybody wanted
> 'this year's model'. You might find that good, second-hand equipment
> is a better bet than buying new - maybe from an AV Hire Shop ?

That is a thought but take note of the bulb cost/availabilty and how has
the projector been treated? The optics are still fairly delicate.

> -If you want to get really 'slick' then consider back-projecting your
> slides (projector behind the screen). Needs a special screen (not
> difficult)

And the space from screen to wall...

--
Cheers
Dave.

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.2225fd3f8007bd4c9897a9@News.Individual.NET...
> Thanks mike it looks good, I will nip up the road and look at one in the
> flesh as they have it at PC world (may not buy it from them though!)
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
> www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

Charlie I see someone has mentioned Power Point Presentation coupled to the
Projector. This is what I use.

Not wishing my Grandmother to Suck Eggs, but Power Point is very versatile.
You can for example set a Slide Show up for the people to look at as they
are coming into your show/presentation/talk. This can have background music
if you wish and can keep rolling round. I had a roll round display at RAF
Cosford Parade last year, .... no music there were already people doing too
much talking.

When you come to do your talk, your presentation and slides are already
there a click of the remote or your mouse and the next slide comes up. If
you are giving your talk from your computer, then your mouse pointer on the
screen of the computer appears on the big screen from the projector. "What
you see on the computer they see on the screen"

If you stand up and operate the remote, you can use a Laser Pen to red dot
the big screen.

As someone said, your slides can be copied via a slide copier to your
digital camera and thus the computer.

I have a slide copier for an SLR with 42 mm thread, the new Samsung GX-10
has Bayonet fitting, I need to get an adaptor. Someone also remarked on
having a high Megapix camera, my present has 6, the new 10 so I hope to have
better definition.

Your slides can be chosen as you like for a presentation with PPP and will
stay as it is. I have 3 or 4 PPP's on my computer.

Going down this line you will need an extension lead with two sockets on it,
one for the lap top one for the projector.

Photos can be scanned on a scanner them these put onto computer so your very
old photo's can be done. I 'lifted' a picture of a World War 1 Hospital and
it is now part of a presentation on PPP.

None of this is Rocket Science I have learnt it all in about 18 months.
"Doing it" makes it easy. But I do not consider myself to be an expert on
the technicalities of it all, I am not interested, I just want to press
buttons and there is the picture. I am more interested in the people :-))

Hope that helps.

You know where am if I can help :-))

Best wishes

Mike

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

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Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk=20
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and=20
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

In article <HNidnZqCs8wskCHanZ2dnUVZ8qGdnZ2d@bt.com>, 3d&6d@woolies.com
says...
>
>
>
> "Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2225fd3f8007bd4c9897a9@News.Individual.NET...
>
> Charlie I see someone has mentioned Power Point Presentation coupled to the
> Projector. This is what I use.
>
> Not wishing my Grandmother to Suck Eggs, but Power Point is very versatile.
> You can for example set a Slide Show up for the people to look at as they
> are coming into your show/presentation/talk. This can have background music
> if you wish and can keep rolling round. I had a roll round display at RAF
> Cosford Parade last year, .... no music there were already people doing too
> much talking.
>
> When you come to do your talk, your presentation and slides are already
> there a click of the remote or your mouse and the next slide comes up. If
> you are giving your talk from your computer, then your mouse pointer on the
> screen of the computer appears on the big screen from the projector. "What
> you see on the computer they see on the screen"
>
> If you stand up and operate the remote, you can use a Laser Pen to red dot
> the big screen.
>
> As someone said, your slides can be copied via a slide copier to your
> digital camera and thus the computer.
>
> I have a slide copier for an SLR with 42 mm thread, the new Samsung GX-10
I am hoping to avoid the lap top options (partly because I have not got
one and partly because I have seen people struggle to get the thing up
and running)
I am intrigued by the idea of a slide copier attached to the front of
ones camera but I suspect my Fuji finepix S5700 may not be up to the job,
son has a slide copier built into his scanner, but trying to do anything
in his room is all but impossible, it sounds as if I may be able to get a
whole talk copied as a batch so I will look into that.
I think someone has mentioned a back up disk as well!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.22253fa7483386bf9897a7@News.Individual.NET...
>I do talks for garden clubs but my slide projector is starting to show
> its age and will need replacing. I was thinking that I ought to consider
> changing over to a digital projector but there seem to be several types.
> I seldom project onto a bigger than 4'X4' screen.
> Also digital images, what's the sort of file size that's required for
> reasonable quality? and will scanning my existing slides give good enough
> quality? (I have 2000+ slides and the thought of having to retake them
> all is a bit daunting!)
> I would be grateful for any hints, tips or comments from people who have
> changed over.
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
> www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

Don't know if you have the Viking Account, but I have just received the
latest "Office Technology" Catalogue and on page 83 there is a wide range
of Projectors from £400.00 to £1100.00.

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jwjlr70.pminews@srv1.howhill.net>,
allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com says...
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:01:30 +0000, Adrian wrote:
>
>
> Aye, and fanatically follow the power up/down sequence particulary the
> power down letting the thing cool properly before moving it. Oh and the
> "replace bulb" message after x hours can probably be ignored until the
> bulb actually fails or you notice a degraded image. Like printer
> cartridges, the makers make their money on the bulbs with "fixed" life...
>
> Pay attention to the specs as well, particulary the image brightness.
> Comparing will probably be a PITA as I doubt there is a standard distance
> used. So to make sensible comparisions you'll have to take the distance
> into account with the inverse square rule. I'm not sure a spec saying x
> lumens with a given image size is a reliable method, if the image size
> varies you'd still have to correct it and you'd need to know the distance
> for that image size.
>
>
> For PC read laptop and PowerPoint (or non-windows equivalent) you can add
> captions and/or explanatory/title slides in PP very easily. Does a
> stand-alone unit take a PP presentation or just image files?
>
>
> Go for the very best scanning you can afford. Preferably with the basic
> scanned immage in a "raw" format rather than anything compressed.
> Compression throws away information, you orginal scanned image needs to be
> the highest quality you can achieve. You then make your slides from that
> to what ever the current systems require.
>
> A decent commercial service I'd expect to produce a high resolution raw
> image then a selection of different resolution compressed ones per slide.
> Don't forget to take a backup copy or three of your scanned images, CD/DVD
> media *does* degrade over time. Maybe take another copy every year. Media
> is cheap, data is priceless.
>
> What is "high resolution" these days I'm not sure but I'd expect something
> over 2400 x 1800 and that's only 4M pixel, quality digital cameras these
> days are 10M pixel or above (4800 x 3600 ish) and a colour depth of at
> least 24 bits/pixel. For display 800 x 600 or 1024x768 jpeg format will be
Many thanks for all the detailed info, and especially your comments re
quality of scanning.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

> I am intrigued by the idea of a slide copier attached to the front of
> ones camera but I suspect my Fuji finepix S5700 may not be up to the job,
> son has a slide copier built into his scanner, but trying to do anything
> in his room is all but impossible, it sounds as if I may be able to get a
> whole talk copied as a batch so I will look into that.
> I think someone has mentioned a back up disk as well!
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
> www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

See if this is the thing you want :-))

http://specialtyphotographic.stores.../slcounpro.html

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Cat(h)

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

On Feb 20, 12:50=A0pm, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <HNidnZqCs8wskCHanZ2dnUVZ8qGdn...@bt.com>, 3d...@woolies.com
> says...
>
>
>
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> I am hoping to avoid the lap top options (partly because I have not got
> one and partly because I have seen people struggle to get the thing up
> and running)

I think this may be a thing of the past. A few years ago, many of the
laptop/projector combinations required that the projector be turned on
first, so that the laptop would "find" it.
My experience now is that it no longer matters.
Also, some people who struggle don't understand that you have to
transfer the image from just your laptop to the main screen + your
laptop. This takes a few goes at the Function + F4 or F5 (depending
on the model, but it's printed on it, so easy to spot), until the
desired effect is arrived at. I have seen people panic because they
didn't know how to do that, and worried they had no image on either
their laptop or the large screen.
I use an old (ish) Toshiba and a newer Infocus projectors. Both very
good, but I would use the Tosh for larger rooms (greater luminosity,
and better ability to fill a large screen from a short distance - I am
sure there is a tech word for that, but I'm no techie) while the small
portable infocus is fine for smaller rooms and smaller groups.
If you give talks in hotels, many of them are equipped nowadays with a
built in projector you simply need to hook up to your laptop.

Not sure how you plan to operate *without* a laptop, still using the
digital projector? Directly plugged into your camera?

Good luck with the shopping!

Cat(h)

> I am intrigued by the idea of a slide copier attached to the front of
> ones camera but I suspect my Fuji finepix S5700 may not be up to the job,
> son has a slide copier built into his scanner, but trying to do anything
> in his room is all but impossible, it sounds as if I may be able to get a
> whole talk copied as a batch so I will look into that.
> I think someone has mentioned a back up disk as well!
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
>I am hoping to avoid the lap top options (partly because I have not got
>one and partly because I have seen people struggle to get the thing up
>and running) I am intrigued by the idea of a slide copier attached to
>the front of ones camera but I suspect my Fuji finepix S5700 may not be
>up to the job, son has a slide copier built into his scanner, but
>trying to do anything in his room is all but impossible, it sounds as
>if I may be able to get a whole talk copied as a batch so I will look
>into that. I think someone has mentioned a back up disk as well!

Whatever set up you end with, I think you would want to be able to
create power point presentations and load them on to your projector. You
may be able to create them at home on your PC then transfer them across,
so may not need the lap top + projector combination.

Powerpoint is an easy way to string a set of slide together for
presentation. You'll soon want to add to that by producing text slides,
eg the title of the talk, or throwing up the name of the garden you're
about to talk about, or whatever, or an 'end' slide that makes it doubly
cler that you have finished talking. All these things are really useful
without entering into the fancy stuff.
--
Kay

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

>
> Powerpoint is an easy way to string a set of slide together for
> presentation. You'll soon want to add to that by producing text slides, eg
> the title of the talk, or throwing up the name of the garden you're about
> to talk about, or whatever, or an 'end' slide that makes it doubly cler
> that you have finished talking. All these things are really useful without
> entering into the fancy stuff.
> --
> Kay

or as I said in an earlier thread, a series of pictures on PowerPoint
rolling round whilst the people are coming in. Or did you miss that?

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

"K" <k@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3ak3dNCo9CvHFwYb@scarboro.demon.co.uk...
> Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
>
> Whatever set up you end with, I think you would want to be able to create
> power point presentations and load them on to your projector. You may be
> able to create them at home on your PC then transfer them across, so may
> not need the lap top + projector combination.
>
> Powerpoint is an easy way to string a set of slide together for
> presentation. You'll soon want to add to that by producing text slides, eg
> the title of the talk, or throwing up the name of the garden you're about
> to talk about, or whatever, or an 'end' slide that makes it doubly cler
> that you have finished talking. All these things are really useful without
> entering into the fancy stuff.
> --
> Kay
Yes I agree, but I am not finding it easy to determine exactly what options
a particular projector has. I do have Power Point which up this moment in
time is unused!

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:yOWdnTfrsbQHviHanZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
>
> See if this is the thing you want :-))
>
>
> http://specialtyphotographic.stores.../slcounpro.html
>
> Mike
>

It wont work for me as the lens is fixed not threaded, but at least I can
see how they work, thank you.
The IN24 projector you have Mike, what options do you have for supplying the
pictures? and which do you use?

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:lLidncsjjYtNqSHanZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
>
> or as I said in an earlier thread, a series of pictures on PowerPoint
> rolling round whilst the people are coming in. Or did you miss that?
>
> Mike
>
>
No, I got that thanks, but its not something I do, mostly I have to wait
while the club attends to any business before I start!

--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> --
> www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
> 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
> www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
> After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the
> National Service RAF man
>
>
>
>

Sacha

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

On 20/2/08 14:37, in article 622shmF21ej4vU3@mid.individual.net, "Charlie
Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote:

>
> "'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
> news:lLidncsjjYtNqSHanZ2dnUVZ8t2snZ2d@bt.com...
> No, I got that thanks, but its not something I do, mostly I have to wait
> while the club attends to any business before I start!

Mike's remark was to Kay who may have him kill filed.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

adder1969

2008-02-20, 9:25 am

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

Charlie Pridham <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
>
>"K" <k@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:3ak3dNCo9CvHFwYb@scarboro.demon.co.uk...
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>Yes I agree, but I am not finding it easy to determine exactly what
>options a particular projector has. I do have Power Point which up this
>moment in time is unused!

Well, it will be - it's once you have a projector that it really comes
in to its own! It's like before you're on the internet - at first you
can't really see any use for it for the things that you do, but once you
have it, you find it really useful. I'm really saying, though you don't
use PP at the moment, don't shut it out as an option when you choose
your projector, because it will make life easier, even though you don't
see any possible use for it now.
>

--
Kay

Dave Liquorice

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:55:03 -0000, Charlie Pridham wrote:

<Quiet tip, try to remember to edit out all but the relevant parts of the
previous post(s) when replying>.

> Many thanks for all the detailed info, and especially your comments re
> quality of scanning.

This is where I support Sacha's intimation that getting a lab to do it
will be far better. The gadgets that fix to a camera produce acceptable
results but how do you consistently and evenly illuminate the slides, what
colour temperature light source and so on. A proper lab should have
professional kit and will produce consistent results.

You may have to spend some time cleaning and checking your slides before
handing them over for scanning but this will be time well spent. You don't
want your digital images covered in dust spots....

You may have to send them away but I'd still look to see if there is a
photolab nearby that can do it. Talk to them, 2000 slides is a fair bit of
work and if they care they'll want to do it properly.

--
Cheers
Dave.

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:622shmF21ej4vU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> It wont work for me as the lens is fixed not threaded, but at least I can
> see how they work, thank you.

Would they clip onto yours? I don't know.

> The IN24 projector you have Mike, what options do you have for supplying
> the pictures? and which do you use?
>

I load mine from the computer. I load the photos onto the computer direct
from the camera card via a card reader or from the internet. That way, when
I see a picture I want, I 'save it as ...' and put it into my files then
download it later onto a PowerPoint display.

Now, reading the instructions .......... as in 'When all else fails'.... :-)
I see that "Other kinds of sources' for putting things on are on
www.infocus.com/service/howto which I have not read :-(( but may answer some
of your questions.

I have many many photos emailed to me which I can put onto the PPP but in a
nutshell, 'If they are on computer ....... they can go onto PPP'

I feel your biggest problem, or decision is, 'How to get your Slides onto
the Projector'? Depending on how many talks you do, depends on it's worth. I
would go down the new camera, slide copier, lap top, projector lane. I have
it all except the adapter for the slide copier to fit the new camera which I
have just picked up and not unpacked!!!!

Charlie, 'How long is a piece of string?' What do YOU want? When I was in
business I asked my customers what they wanted of me, not 'You will have
this like it or lump it' (That is why I am still being asked to carry on
working by my old customers!!!!!)

If I can help. ...... I am here.

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

"Sacha" <sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C3E1F272.6587E%sacha@nowhere.myzen.co.uk...
> On 20/2/08 14:37, in article 622shmF21ej4vU3@mid.individual.net, "Charlie
>
> Mike's remark was to Kay who may have him kill filed.
> --

How weak and silly of her. She will miss so much useful information

Kindest regards

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Cat(h)

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

On Feb 20, 3:38=A0pm, K <k...@scarboro.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk> writes
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, it will be - it's once you have a projector that it really comes
> in to its own! It's like before you're on the internet - at first you
> can't really see any use for it for the things that you do, but once you
> have it, you find it really useful. I'm really saying, though you don't
> use PP at the moment, don't shut it out as an option when you choose
> your projector, because it will make life easier, even though you don't
> see any possible use for it now.
>
>

The projector will project whatever you throw at it - given suitable
hookable technology, laptop, dvd player, tv, or whatever else will
work with it - whether or not you have PPT.
But I do agree with you about PPT. I use it for work all the time,
and have even used it on social occasions, including a "this is your
life" kind of effort for a friend's party. It's a software package
well worth learning how to use.

Cat(h)

Cat(h)

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

On Feb 20, 8:45=A0am, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <C3E111F8.6580C%sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk>,
> sa...@nowhere.myzen.co.uk says...
>
>
>
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> I have been watching other speakers who are using them and have decided
> that a stand alone model would be best (one less thing to go wrong!) but
> its realy the images that are giving me cause for concern, particuarly
> ones which are a historical sequence telling a story, I mean you can go
> back and retake a flower picture but you can not go back in time! if I
> can scan some of those I think I may take the plunge

FWIW, I scanned photos (not slides) to retrace the life story of a
friend (see other post), on a bog standard HP scanner with bog
standard resolution. A few of the pics were in very poor condition,
some of them several decades old, creased, yellow and sellotaped, and
I had to photoshop them a bit to clean them up, but overall, the
effect was good. The screen was large, about 3 metres by 2 (rough
estimate), and the projector good enough to fill that screen from a
relatively short distance (an important quality in a projector). I
have to say most of the scanned photos looked quite good on the night.
I have been told by someone in the know that scanning negatives (and
slides?) would give better results than scanning printed copies -
which should be good news for your project if it is correct?

Cat(h)

Martin

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:55:36 -0800 (PST), "Cat(h)" <cathy_ie@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The projector will project whatever you throw at it - given suitable
>hookable technology, laptop, dvd player, tv, or whatever else will
>work with it - whether or not you have PPT.
>But I do agree with you about PPT. I use it for work all the time,
>and have even used it on social occasions, including a "this is your
>life" kind of effort for a friend's party. It's a software package
>well worth learning how to use.

You can get something very similar to PPT free by downloading and using Open
Office. www.openoffice.org/
--

Martin

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

In article <aeb8ae7f-96bd-4cbc-8675-
522154e5244e@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, cathy_ie@yahoo.com says...
> On Feb 20, 8:45=A0am, Charlie Pridham <char...@roselandhouse.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> FWIW, I scanned photos (not slides) to retrace the life story of a
> friend (see other post), on a bog standard HP scanner with bog
> standard resolution. A few of the pics were in very poor condition,
> some of them several decades old, creased, yellow and sellotaped, and
> I had to photoshop them a bit to clean them up, but overall, the
> effect was good. The screen was large, about 3 metres by 2 (rough
> estimate), and the projector good enough to fill that screen from a
> relatively short distance (an important quality in a projector). I
> have to say most of the scanned photos looked quite good on the night.
> I have been told by someone in the know that scanning negatives (and
> slides?) would give better results than scanning printed copies -
> which should be good news for your project if it is correct?
>=20
> Cat(h)
>=20
Thanks for those reassuring words!
--=20
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk=20
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and=20
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

In article <ecCdnRHJboyQxiHanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>, 3d&6d@woolies.com
says...
>
> I load mine from the computer. I load the photos onto the computer direct
> from the camera card via a card reader or from the internet. That way, when
> I see a picture I want, I 'save it as ...' and put it into my files then
> download it later onto a PowerPoint display.
>
> Now, reading the instructions .......... as in 'When all else fails'.... :-)
> I see that "Other kinds of sources' for putting things on are on
> www.infocus.com/service/howto which I have not read :-(( but may answer some
> of your questions.
>
> I have many many photos emailed to me which I can put onto the PPP but in a
> nutshell, 'If they are on computer ....... they can go onto PPP'
>
> I feel your biggest problem, or decision is, 'How to get your Slides onto
> the Projector'? Depending on how many talks you do, depends on it's worth. I
> would go down the new camera, slide copier, lap top, projector lane. I have
> it all except the adapter for the slide copier to fit the new camera which I
> have just picked up and not unpacked!!!!
>
> Charlie, 'How long is a piece of string?' What do YOU want? When I was in
> business I asked my customers what they wanted of me, not 'You will have
> this like it or lump it' (That is why I am still being asked to carry on
> working by my old customers!!!!!)
>
> If I can help. ...... I am here.
>
> Mike
>
At the moment its not what I want, its what I do not want! I do not want
to have to take a laptop with me, I have no objection to sorting the talk
on a computer but then want it either installed in the projector, on a
disk or on a flash drive
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 1:25 pm

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jwk21s1.pminews@srv1.howhill.net>,
allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com says...
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:55:03 -0000, Charlie Pridham wrote:
>
> <Quiet tip, try to remember to edit out all but the relevant parts of the
> previous post(s) when replying>.
>
>
> This is where I support Sacha's intimation that getting a lab to do it
> will be far better. The gadgets that fix to a camera produce acceptable
> results but how do you consistently and evenly illuminate the slides, what
> colour temperature light source and so on. A proper lab should have
> professional kit and will produce consistent results.
>
> You may have to spend some time cleaning and checking your slides before
> handing them over for scanning but this will be time well spent. You don't
> want your digital images covered in dust spots....
>
> You may have to send them away but I'd still look to see if there is a
> photolab nearby that can do it. Talk to them, 2000 slides is a fair bit of
> work and if they care they'll want to do it properly.
>
>
Sorry about the snipping! I do not have the same news reader on both
computers, this one snips automatically, the other does not. (well thats
my excuse anyway!)
I shall pursue slide copying options first wet day we get, been gardening
furiously to get ahead in the dry.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 5:25 pm

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.22268c9ce243061d9897b1@News.Individual.NET...
> At the moment its not what I want, its what I do not want! I do not want
> to have to take a laptop with me, I have no objection to sorting the talk
> on a computer but then want it either installed in the projector, on a
> disk or on a flash drive
> --
> Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
> www.roselandhouse.co.uk
> Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
> Lapageria rosea

Sorry Charlie that's where I cannot help :-((

I have just had the projector out and there is no place to plug a CD or
Flash Drive in :-((

The input is computer or DVD only.

I have to admit that when I wanted a projector, I did ask my computer shop
for a 'Computer driven one' and thus that is what they came up with. I
suppose there are CD and Flash Drive driven ones and perhaps someone else
can help and recommend one here.

Sorry :-((

Going back to your original posting. Had you thought of just replacing your
existing Slide Projector and not upgrading to Electronics? You have
everything there for just a new replacement. No transfer of Slides or
anything.

Best wishes and good luck

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-20, 5:25 pm

In article <ztOdnbIz2-9J4iHanZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@bt.com>, 3d&6d@woolies.com
says...
> Going back to your original posting. Had you thought of just replacing your
> existing Slide Projector and not upgrading to Electronics? You have
> everything there for just a new replacement. No transfer of Slides or
> anything.
>
>
Yes its being considered, and it is the cheapest option, but there is
starting to be an issue with slide film and of course slides do deteriate
over time, then there is the camera, mine is even older than the
slide projector and I can already get better results with the digital
camera (mainly I admit to taking a lot more pictures rather than the
camera being any better!)
But where I have been to other peoples talks I have been impressed with
how much more versitile a digital projector is.

There are clearly a lot of variables to take account of before making a
move.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

'Mike'

2008-02-20, 5:25 pm

"Charlie Pridham" <charlie@roselandhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.2226972166495899897b5@News.Individual.NET...
>
> There are clearly a lot of variables to take account of before making a
> move.
> --

There are indeed and good luck in your search :-))

Best wishes

Mike

--
www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association.
'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.
www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly
After a lot of trouble www.nsrafa.org is now up and running for the National
Service RAF man

Dave Liquorice

2008-02-20, 8:25 pm

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:04:35 -0000, Mike wrote:

>
> There are indeed and good luck in your search :-))

I think the hardest one will be finding a projector that has card slot of
some sort, they might exist and be able to display various image formats.

I doubt very much he'll find one that can run PP presentations as that
would mean it essentially having a PC in side and a copy of Windows...
Though having said that I just bunged "projector card slot" into google
and up popped the Panasonic PT-P1SD. This has a slot and software to
convert a PP presentation into a series of jpegs that it can display from
an SD card. Several other makers also have machines with slots.

So projector and memory card is certainly an option but you'd still need a
PC with card reader/writer (maybe your camera) to generate the "slides" in
the first place.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Charlie Pridham

2008-02-21, 3:27 am

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.jwkqax0.pminews@srv1.howhill.net>,
allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com says...
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:04:35 -0000, Mike wrote:
>
>
> I think the hardest one will be finding a projector that has card slot of
> some sort, they might exist and be able to display various image formats.
>
> I doubt very much he'll find one that can run PP presentations as that
> would mean it essentially having a PC in side and a copy of Windows...
> Though having said that I just bunged "projector card slot" into google
> and up popped the Panasonic PT-P1SD. This has a slot and software to
> convert a PP presentation into a series of jpegs that it can display from
> an SD card. Several other makers also have machines with slots.
>
> So projector and memory card is certainly an option but you'd still need a
> PC with card reader/writer (maybe your camera) to generate the "slides" in
> the first place.
>
>
Thanks for that, it had not occured to be to search that way.
Both my PC's have card reader slots and I have now found several
projectors with USB connections for flash memory plugs
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

Jeff Layman

2008-02-21, 9:25 am

Charlie Pridham wrote:
> In article <ztOdnbIz2-9J4iHanZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> 3d&6d@woolies.com says...
> Yes its being considered, and it is the cheapest option, but there is
> starting to be an issue with slide film and of course slides do
> deteriate over time,

Very little if they are stored properly. What makes you think electronic
media will have a better life storage? I am afraid that some of the quoted
lifetimes for CD and DVD roms may be a little optimistic!

If you want to go ahead and digitise slides, it might help to remember that
a typical slide (and it will depend on the film speed) is thought to be
equivalent to about 14Mp. So it might be thought that is the quality at
which you should scan the slides. Modern day scanners will do that, but
then you have to bear in mind that most projectors (unless you have a bob or
two to lash out!) project at less than 1Mp (1024 x 768)! Still, once the
slides are digitised at high resolution, you will be able to make the most
of projector resolution improvements.

then there is the camera, mine is even older
> than the
> slide projector and I can already get better results with the digital
> camera (mainly I admit to taking a lot more pictures rather than the
> camera being any better!)

And you can "tickle" the pictures with an editor to improve things. That is
very useful.

> But where I have been to other peoples talks I have been impressed
> with how much more versitile a digital projector is.
>
> There are clearly a lot of variables to take account of before making
> a move.

One variable you may not have thought about. You are probably used to
buying a spare lamp on occasion for your slide projector. Bear in mind that
a replacement bulb for a digital projector will cost perhaps 10 times as
much (£200 - 300 is not unusual)!

--
Jeff
(cut "thetape" to reply)

Cat(h)

2008-02-21, 9:25 am

On Feb 20, 6:21=A0pm, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:55:36 -0800 (PST), "Cat(h)" <cathy...@yahoo.com> wr=
ote:
>
> You can get something very similar to PPT free by downloading and using Op=
en
> Office.www.openoffice.org/
> --
>
> Martin

Hear hear (or it is here here? I can never tell).
NOt only is it very similar, but you can actually open, work on and
save PPT docs with Open Office. I have both packages on my home PC,
and I actually find the OO equivalent of PPT a lot more intuitive to
use than the newer PPT version.
Now, I think I'll shut up, because we have veered way too far out of
gardening territory.

Cat(h)

'Mike'

2008-02-21, 9:25 am

> Now, I think I'll shut up, because we have veered way too far out of
> gardening territory.

> Cat(h)

I don't think so Cat(h), not when you realise that Charlie would want the
best definition in both colour and detail when he wants to present a Slide
Show. I feel that it is all very important and On Topic for Charlie to
update/upgrade and get the best out of his Gardening subject.

Mike

--
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Service RAF man

Dave Liquorice

2008-02-21, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:11:07 -0800 (PST), Cat(h) wrote:

> Hear hear (or it is here here? I can never tell).

The first, as in listen to what this person is saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear

--
Cheers
Dave.

Cat(h)

2008-02-26, 9:25 am

On Feb 22, 12:39=A0am, "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthis...@howhill.com>
wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:11:07 -0800 (PST), Cat(h) wrote:
>
> The first, as in listen to what this person is saying.

Now, that's useful, and should help me remember.
Many thanks for that.
Cat(h)

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