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Open Source ESR Tester (Looking for, don't have)
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| Matthew Smith 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| Hi All
I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
least the principles required to build one.
For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
make my own kit where practical.
Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
recommendations from real people ;-)
Cheers
Matthew Smith
South Australia
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| Matthew Smith wrote:
quote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
> nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
> least the principles required to build one.
>
> For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
> make my own kit where practical.
>
> Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
> recommendations from real people ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Matthew Smith
> South Australia
Use a time domain reflectometer.
Just hook a scope to the cap and hit it with the fastest rise
step you can muster. Keep it below half a volt amplitude so you
don't turn on junctions. Stated another way, build your own TDR.
If you know the source voltage and source impedance, you can easily
calculate the ESR from the size of the initial step. You can also
calculate ESL from the overshoot and capacitance from the time constant.
Using this method, you know exactly what you're dealing with. You're
not relying on some readout number that may or may not reflect what's
really going on.
mike
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| Ross Herbert 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:58:10 +0930, Matthew Smith
<usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> wrote:
quote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
>nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
>least the principles required to build one.
>
>For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
>make my own kit where practical.
>
>Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
>recommendations from real people ;-)
>
>Cheers
>
>Matthew Smith
>South Australia
Do you have access to Television & Consumer Electronics magazine?
(This used to be Practical Television back in the old days). In Dec 04
- Jan 05 issues they described an analog reading ESR meter designed by
Alan Wilcox. This design operates in a similar manner to Capacitor
Wizard but is not nearly so complicated and it is built on Vero
stripboard. The only problem is that it specifies a Monacor PM-2/100uA
meter movement
http://www.monacor.com/int/en/produ...62&spr=EN&typ=u
which is not available in Australia. According to my research this
meter is almost physically identical to the SEW
http://www.sew.com.tw/model ST645 and this meter may be available in
Australia, and hopefully the meter scale drawing in the article will
fit without alteration.
Contact me in private if you need more info. (remove SPAMEX)
Ross H
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| Fastvale 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| >
quote:
> For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
> make my own kit where practical.
>
> Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
> recommendations from real people ;-)
quote:
> Matthew Smith
> South Australia
order it here:
http://www.nuovaelettronica.it/it/p...t&w.kit_id=4899
about 25 $ plus shipping.
Absolutely performing!!!
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| Bill B 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| Matthew Smith wrote:
quote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
> nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
> least the principles required to build one.
>
> For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
> make my own kit where practical.
>
> Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
> recommendations from real people ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Matthew Smith
> South Australia
Here's about as cheap as you can get, provided you have a 'scope. I use
mine quite a bit and have had pretty good success. Look here:
http://octopus.freeyellow.com/99.html
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| Franc Zabkar 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:58:10 +0930, Matthew Smith
<usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> put finger to keyboard and composed:
quote:
>I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
>nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
>least the principles required to build one.
>
>For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
>make my own kit where practical.
My local DSE store has Bob Parker's Mark I kit for ~AU$40. Only two
left last time I checked.
Otherwise try these:
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_103805/article.html
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_103243/article.html
- Franc Zabkar
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| Max Harding vk3jin 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| Get the Bob Parker kit from Dick Smith or direct from Bob and you wont
regret getting this great instrument. most of us Aussie techs use it.
"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@optussnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:gd5f51pgcqegeoo1jcef572d8p912hek1s@4ax.com...
quote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:58:10 +0930, Matthew Smith
> <usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>
> My local DSE store has Bob Parker's Mark I kit for ~AU$40. Only two
> left last time I checked.
>
> Otherwise try these:
> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_103805/article.html
> http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_103243/article.html
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>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 's' from my address when replying by email.
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"Matthew Smith" <usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> wrote in message
news:4257840a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
quote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
> nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
> least the principles required to build one.
>
> For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
> make my own kit where practical.
In "PopTronics" (USA) July 2001, pages 25-28 there is a build it yourself
design that uses a few common parts and has full protection. It claims to
test in circuit from 1 uF on up.
You may find copies at larger libraries under "Popular Electronics",
"PopTronics" was a later name.
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N
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| Max Harding vk3jin wrote:
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> Get the Bob Parker kit from Dick Smith or direct from Bob and you wont
> regret getting this great instrument. most of us Aussie techs use it.
What do you actually use it for?
Seems that every time I want to know ESR it's in a power supply or on
a motherboard with a dozen hooked in parallel thru ground/power planes.
I've had zero success finding bad caps.
Out of circut, yes, but if you're gonna go to the hassle and board risk
of removing the cap, might as well replace it. Half the time, have to
pull the leads out and remove 'em one at a time from the ground plane.
Holes are just too tiny to suck out the solder while the lead is in there.
Over the decades, I've tried 35pS TDR to try to isolate caps.
Tried spectrum analyzer with tracking generator to sweep power/ground
planes while shorting caps to look for change.
It's rare that there's only one cap, and with those, you can just look
for ripple while it's operating.
So what's the magic method for finding high ESR caps in-circuit in a
typical situation of parallel caps?
mike
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FS 500MHz Tek DSOscilloscope TDS540 Make Offer
Wanted, 12.1" LCD for Gateway Solo 5300. Samsung LT121SU-121
Wanted 12" LCD for Compaq Armada 7770MT.
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
MAKE THE OBVIOUS CHANGES TO THE LINK
ht<removethis>tp://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
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| John Todd 2005-04-16, 3:16 pm |
| On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 16:58:10 +0930, Matthew Smith
<usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> wrote:
quote:
>Hi All
>
>I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
>nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
>least the principles required to build one.
>
>For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
>make my own kit where practical.
>
>Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
>recommendations from real people ;-)
>
>Cheers
>
>Matthew Smith
>South Australia
I used a shunt ohmmeter cct. with the meter signal rectified
and driven by a twin-T osc at 33KHz driving an LM386. Experiment with
series resistor to get the meter range, and calibrate with resistors.
Mine reads 0 to 75 ohms at about two-thirds deflection.
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| I built the Elektor Electronics ESR tester and it's great:
http://www.elektor-electronics.co.u...nth=9&art=50741
Matthew Smith <usenet2005@spam.trace.yp.cx> wrote in message news:<4257840a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>...
quote:
> Hi All
>
> I'm sure that the Peak unit (and others) discussed recently are very
> nice, but could anyone point me to an open source ESR tester, or at
> least the principles required to build one.
>
> For one, I want to save money but at the same time, I really like to
> make my own kit where practical.
>
> Yes, I could go Google, but sometimes it's nice to get real
> recommendations from real people ;-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Matthew Smith
> South Australia
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