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Does General Electric have any quality products?
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| spasmous 2006-05-03, 12:21 am |
| After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-03, 1:21 am |
| On 2 May 2006 20:01:03 -0700, "spasmous" <spasmous@gmail.com> Gave us:
>After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
I'm wondering if your IQ exceeds 30.
>what is it that makes it the largest company in the world?
Google is your friend, retard boy. If it weren't for GE you would
still be flying propeller driven airplanes. Don't give me that Pratt
and Whitney crap either. GE now OWNS them as well.
> What are the
>areas in which GE excels?
More than a simpleton twit like you could ever comprehend.
> I am just mystified by the apparent success
>of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
>cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
List such products, dipshit. Don't just mouth off like the jackass
you obviously are.
They make the best jet engines in the world. They make the best
locomotive engines in the world. Those are at the top of their
product line. Consumer goods are not their mainstay, but they still
do better than anything your lame XXX could create.
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| steve@websitewarehouse.com 2006-05-03, 1:21 am |
| Being a previous user of GE electronics and in the transformer repair
industry for the past 20 years, I can tell you that GE products are
some of the most cheaply made products on the planet. I now refuse to
buy any GE electronic products. If I have a choice between GE and
Wal-Mart's Durabrand, I'm going with Durabrand.
The appliances our current house were GE when we moved in. They are
approximately 7 years old. The only problem we've had is that the
microwave/hood circuit that controls the lighting fried. Can't seem to
fix it without sending it to a GE repair center which isn't going to
happen. I'll buy a new Whirlpool unit first.
In my transformer repair business, we have repaired more GE
transformers than any other brand. Using measurements and
calculations, I have found that GE designs their transformers to meet
the bare minimum requirements to operate. For example, we choose wire
or strip conductor to be sufficient for approximately 700-800 circular
mils per amp. I have seen many GE units below 500 circular mils per
amp. They are designed to last beyond the warranty period and that is
all.
GE is a big name because of their longevity. But their attention to
quality is sorely lacking.
Steve Lockridge
Manager
Alfa Transformer Company
spasmous wrote:
> After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
> what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
> areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
> of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
> cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
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| steve@websitewarehouse.com 2006-05-03, 2:21 am |
| Why do people like you post on these message boards? If you were
really intelligent, you could explain to all of us simpletons in
English why you believe what you believe. But since all you can do is
resort to childish insults, I seriously doubt your intellect.
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| nvmani2006@gmail.com 2006-05-03, 2:21 am |
| Instead of general observation,it would help if specific example as to
which of GE products cannot compete with the state of art products, and
how these are not meeting the required specifications? This will also
help GE as a feedback, to make improvements where necessary.
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-03, 2:21 am |
| On 2 May 2006 21:14:30 -0700, "steve@websitewarehouse.com"
<steve@websitewarehouse.com> Gave us:
>Being a previous user of GE electronics and in the transformer repair
>industry for the past 20 years, I can tell you that GE products are
>some of the most cheaply made products on the planet.
You're an idiot.
> I now refuse to
>buy any GE electronic products. If I have a choice between GE and
>Wal-Mart's Durabrand, I'm going with Durabrand.
Good for you, dipshit.
>The appliances our current house were GE when we moved in. They are
>approximately 7 years old. The only problem we've had is that the
>microwave/hood circuit that controls the lighting fried. Can't seem to
>fix it without sending it to a GE repair center which isn't going to
>happen.
What? You don't have enough brains to fix it yourself? What are
you doing in this group?
> I'll buy a new Whirlpool unit first.
Good for you.
>In my transformer repair business, we have repaired more GE
>transformers than any other brand. Using measurements and
>calculations, I have found that GE designs their transformers to meet
>the bare minimum requirements to operate. For example, we choose wire
>or strip conductor to be sufficient for approximately 700-800 circular
>mils per amp. I have seen many GE units below 500 circular mils per
>amp. They are designed to last beyond the warranty period and that is
>all.
You're a goddamned idiot. There is no book on how long a certain
design is going to last based on the wire gauge, and UL approves
designs and analyses thermal increases in a product, and those
increases would be the same on day one as on the day of failure.
It appears as though YOUR warranty period has expired, and you are
now in a failure mode. Any idiot can repair a transformer. It takes
a real dolt like you to compile a bullshit statistic, however.
>GE is a big name because of their longevity. But their attention to
>quality is sorely lacking.
>
Could you contradict yourself any worse than you did with that
remark?
>Steve Lockridge
>Manager
>Alfa Transformer Company
Hahahaha.. a fucking manager. It figures. Make a web page with
your years gathered stats, boy. Oh... that's right... you pulled
them out of your XXX.
The company name is lame enough for me never to use it.
You are also a goddamned top posting Usenet retard as well. Here...
let me help. It is up to you to learn or continue to be a blatant
idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-03, 2:21 am |
| On 2 May 2006 21:20:15 -0700, "steve@websitewarehouse.com"
<steve@websitewarehouse.com> Gave us:
>Why do people like you post on these message boards? If you were
>really intelligent, you could explain to all of us simpletons in
>English why you believe what you believe. But since all you can do is
>resort to childish insults, I seriously doubt your intellect.
Said the fucking retard that doesn't know a damned thing about the
posting protocols of the forum he invades. That would make you a mere
interloper here. Hurry... run and look up that new big word now,
sonny.
Hey dipshit... if you don't quote who you are replying to, folks
can't see what the fuck you are talking about.
Since you have proven that you know little or NOTHING about this
forum called Usenet, you are certainly the simpleton you called
yourself. Even after you learn a few things, I'd say that the
simpleton moniker will be with you for a while. Right now, you're
just a goddamned google groups dipshit invading a forum you know
little or nothing about. Probably know just as little about the
repair shop you "manage" as well, judge from the stats you p[ulled
straight out of your XXX in your last top posted CRAP.
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-03, 2:21 am |
| On 2 May 2006 21:40:57 -0700, "nvmani2006@gmail.com"
<nvmani2006@gmail.com> Gave us:
>Instead of general observation,it would help if specific example as to
>which of GE products cannot compete with the state of art products, and
>how these are not meeting the required specifications? This will also
>help GE as a feedback, to make improvements where necessary.
I am not quite so diplomatic as you with idiots that spew the crap
he offered to the group... Oh well...
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| Long Ranger 2006-05-03, 4:21 am |
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"spasmous" <spasmous@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146625263.765251.271220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
> what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
> areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
> of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
> cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
>
G. E has never impressed me. My experience is that their products are rather
short-lived, compared to most other brands. I installed quite a few Zenith
transfer switches for a period of about three years. They were a decent,
reliable product. Nothing stellar, just "meat and potatoes". Toward the end
of that three year period, G.E. purchased Zenith. Just like clockwork, the
last two switches we bought, which were the only two that were manufactured
under G.E.'s authority, were lemons. We had to call on the factory rep for a
warranty claim on both.
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| spasmous 2006-05-03, 4:21 pm |
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steve@websitewarehouse.com wrote:
> Being a previous user of GE electronics and in the transformer repair
> industry for the past 20 years, I can tell you that GE products are
> some of the most cheaply made products on the planet. I now refuse to
> buy any GE electronic products. If I have a choice between GE and
> Wal-Mart's Durabrand, I'm going with Durabrand.
>
> The appliances our current house were GE when we moved in. They are
> approximately 7 years old. The only problem we've had is that the
> microwave/hood circuit that controls the lighting fried. Can't seem to
> fix it without sending it to a GE repair center which isn't going to
> happen. I'll buy a new Whirlpool unit first.
>
> In my transformer repair business, we have repaired more GE
> transformers than any other brand. Using measurements and
> calculations, I have found that GE designs their transformers to meet
> the bare minimum requirements to operate. For example, we choose wire
> or strip conductor to be sufficient for approximately 700-800 circular
> mils per amp. I have seen many GE units below 500 circular mils per
> amp. They are designed to last beyond the warranty period and that is
> all.
>
> GE is a big name because of their longevity. But their attention to
> quality is sorely lacking.
>
> Steve Lockridge
> Manager
> Alfa Transformer Company
>
Thanks for the input. My employer bought several expensive medical
devices made by GE. The service engineer is out almost every week to
repair something or other. It seems the hospital loses money from so
much downtime, GE is losing money from having to replace every part of
the machine and the end users get a machine that doesn't ever quite
work right.
The other item I bought was a clock radio - it was cheap, but the
speaker broke after a few months. The fridge in my house is also GE and
it does appear to be working fine. So my record with GE is a 1 in 3
success rate.
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| sQuick 2006-05-03, 7:21 pm |
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"spasmous" <spasmous@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1146625263.765251.271220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
> what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
> areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
> of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
> cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
>
I had problems getting support for a couple GE inverter drives. They were
building them in Spain and had no English speaking technical support staff.
Never used any of their stuff since.
sQuick..
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| electrician@electrician2.com 2006-05-04, 6:21 am |
| <<After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
cannot compete with the state of the art products from other
companies.>>
So many companies have moved to China that I can't keep up with them.
What they were no longer applies if they moved. It is a whole new
world out there. Read Pat Buchanan's column on this China thing at:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49838
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| AverageGuy 2006-05-04, 11:21 pm |
| GE is one corporation, but actually many of those companies owned by GE
operate independently from each other.
I think they might have some quality issues because the big bosses only
deal with numbers. So if you design and manufacture for GE you are
required to make things cheaper and better in a short amount of time. -
in order to get that bonus.
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| spasmous 2006-05-05, 3:21 pm |
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AverageGuy wrote:
> GE is one corporation, but actually many of those companies owned by GE
> operate independently from each other.
>
> I think they might have some quality issues because the big bosses only
> deal with numbers. So if you design and manufacture for GE you are
> required to make things cheaper and better in a short amount of time. -
> in order to get that bonus.
Cheaper - maybe. Better - no.
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| Ross Mac 2006-05-06, 10:21 pm |
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"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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> On 2 May 2006 20:01:03 -0700, "spasmous" <spasmous@gmail.com> Gave us:
>
>
> I'm wondering if your IQ exceeds 30.
>
>
> Google is your friend, retard boy. If it weren't for GE you would
> still be flying propeller driven airplanes. Don't give me that Pratt
> and Whitney crap either. GE now OWNS them as well.
>
>
> More than a simpleton twit like you could ever comprehend.
>
>
> List such products, dipshit. Don't just mouth off like the jackass
> you obviously are.
>
> They make the best jet engines in the world. They make the best
> locomotive engines in the world. Those are at the top of their
> product line. Consumer goods are not their mainstay, but they still
> do better than anything your lame XXX could create.
Darkmatter/ Roy L. Fuchs....talk abot lame...your are the epitome...
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-06, 11:21 pm |
| On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:16 -0400, "Ross Mac"
<this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> Gave us:
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>"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:fiag525i5jbgjap85uklgcf12eb7edonc5@4ax.com...
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>Darkmatter/ Roy L. Fuchs....talk abot lame...your are the epitome...
>
You are an utter idiot, and the epitome of what an utter idiot is.
That is what you are. That is what you are so angry about not being
able to change.
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| Ross Mac 2006-05-07, 6:21 pm |
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"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:25kq52d4n8v8igsp7s71ctu64r7kjqmeo8@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:16 -0400, "Ross Mac"
> <this.is.a.mung@example.invalid> Gave us:
>
> You are an utter idiot, and the epitome of what an utter idiot is.
> That is what you are. That is what you are so angry about not being
> able to change.
Roy PeckerHead Fuchs is back!....With his Darkmatter blather...Same
schoolyard crap.....
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| Long Ranger 2006-05-10, 3:21 am |
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> Roy PeckerHead Fuchs is back!....With his Darkmatter blather...Same
> schoolyard crap.....
I'll bet Roy was raised in a single parent household by his mother, or some
other female figure. He has no clue how to act like a man. Something to
ponder, Roy: "Rudeness is the weak mans immitation of strength". I'm sure
that hits home with everyone that has endured your childishness here, but
it's probably lost on you, huh?
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| Roy L. Fuchs 2006-05-11, 1:21 am |
| On Wed, 10 May 2006 05:44:47 GMT, "Long Ranger"
<worpylorpkins@mindspring.com> Gave us:
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>I'll bet Roy was raised in a single parent household by his mother, or some
>other female figure. He has no clue how to act like a man.
You're an idiot. Adolescent punk fucktards like you that spout
bullshit like that are the ones that got raised wrong.
YOU have no clue what a man is, much less how to "act" like one.
> Something to
>ponder, Roy: "Rudeness is the weak mans immitation of strength".
You're an idiot. You mouthing off in this thread is rude, so you
just fucked yourself.
> I'm sure
>that hits home with everyone that has endured your childishness here, but
>it's probably lost on you, huh?
>
You're the one that is lost, you retarded bastard.
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| John Gilmer 2006-05-12, 10:21 am |
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"spasmous" <spasmous@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> AverageGuy wrote:
Actually, GE has "sold" the "GE" name to French/Korean interests.
The American corporation is definitely out of "consumer electronics." I
don't know about "white goods" (stoves and other large appliances). The
American corporation has done quite well for itself by selling off product
lines (and trademarks) where there is too much competition and concentrating
on areas where it has an "edge" and can make lots of money.
[color=darkred]
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> Cheaper - maybe. Better - no.
As I said, the American corporation doesn't have anything to do with the
cheap stuff made in China. They have effectively "leased" the trademark.
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| jaywitkow@yahoo.co.uk 2006-05-13, 12:21 am |
| spasmous wrote:
> After a couple of bad experiences with GE products I'm wondering...
> what is it that makes it the largest company in the world? What are the
> areas in which GE excels? I am just mystified by the apparent success
> of GE as a company when I know, at least some of, its product lines
> cannot compete with the state of the art products from other companies.
About 20 years ago, my daughter and son-in-law, bought a house and
bought some brand new appliances. A lot of them happened to be GE. As I
recall, they had a TV that kept going out and they kept taking it back
to the repairman who by then was giving then a "special deal" on
repairs.
They also had a washer or dryer go out (I can't remember which) and
there was a third item that I can't remember. After their experience, I
made it a point not to buy anything from GE.
While my daughter was having all those appliance problems, by the way,
I wasn't having any problems at all and never did. My wife always
bought Whirlpool appliances and they seemed to last forever. The TV
that we had at the time was an Hitachi, as I recall, and we never had
any problems with it either.
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