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UK international phonetic alphabet

Lem

2006-05-06, 11:21 am

Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations

Thank you.
Lem

--
Posted to groups likely to use phonetic alphabets

http://sundials.org/about/humpty.htm
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/95q4/phonetic.html

Hexenmeister

2006-05-06, 12:21 pm

"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
| Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
| words such as my address.
|
| I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
| on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

Many make it up as the go along. So what, if you know what they mean?
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/able.html

Androcles

|
| I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
| It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
| Latin America or Asia Pacific.
|
| There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
| but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

|
| For example, which can I use in
|
| (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| (b) international situations
|
|
| Thank you.
| Lem
|
|
|
| --
| Posted to groups likely to use phonetic alphabets
|
| http://sundials.org/about/humpty.htm
| http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/95q4/phonetic.html
|

From the shack of G1LVN

2006-05-06, 1:21 pm

"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> For example, which can I use in
>
> (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> (b) international situations

(a) .
A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
D for Ential .................. (Differential)
E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

(b) .0NAT
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drei unt siebzig de M0WWS
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hth

gfretwell@aol.com

2006-05-06, 2:21 pm

"P" as on "phonetic"?

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-06, 2:21 pm

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-06, 2:21 pm

"From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message news:VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com...
>
> "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
> (a) .
> A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
> B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
> C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
> D for Ential .................. (Differential)
> E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
> F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
> G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)

also
G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)

> H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)

and
H for It..................................(hate you for it)

> I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
> J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
> K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
> L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
> M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
> N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
> O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
> P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
> Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
> R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
> S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
> T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
> U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
> V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
> W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
> X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
> Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
> Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his hat)

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-06, 3:21 pm

X-No-Archive: Yes

"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
> words such as my

The 'accepted' one by industry is:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Gold
Hotel
India
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Xray
Yankee
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

TimPerry

2006-05-06, 3:21 pm

"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
> words such as my address.
>
> I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
> on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").
>
> I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
> It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
> Latin America or Asia Pacific.
>
> There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
> but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?
>
> For example, which can I use in
>
> (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> (b) international situations
>
>
> Thank you.
> Lem
>
>
>
> --
> Posted to groups likely to use phonetic alphabets

dont worry about phonics, just learn all the "Q" signals

Hexenmeister

2006-05-06, 4:21 pm

"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
news:1b-dnfNn7-wFSsHZRVnyjw@bt.com...
|
| "From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com...
| >
| > "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
| > news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
| > > For example, which can I use in
| > >
| > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| > > (b) international situations
| >
| > (a) .
| > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
| > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
| > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
| > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
| > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
| > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
| > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
|
| also
| G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
|
| > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
|
| and
| H for It..................................(hate you for it)
|
| > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
| > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
| > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
| > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
| > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
| > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
| > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
| > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
| > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
| > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
| > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
| > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
| > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
| > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
| > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
| > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
| > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
| > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
|
| In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his
hat)
|
| Martin Hogbin

You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for tat.

http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/

'Owzat?
Androcles

Mike Clayton

2006-05-06, 4:21 pm

In message <1146938043_6935@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, ! <?.?.?@?.?.invalid>
writes
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
>The 'accepted' one by industry is:
>
>Alpha
>Bravo
>Charlie
>Delta
>Echo
>Foxtrot
>Gold
>Hotel
>India
>Mike
>November
>Oscar
>Papa
>Quebec
>Romeo
>Sierra
>Tango
>Uniform
>Victor
>Xray
>Yankee
>Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
>
>

With the exception of Gold, the above is what I was taught in the RAF.
We used Golf.
--
Mike Clayton
'To right the wrong is always right'
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike_clayton

Bob Eager

2006-05-06, 4:21 pm

On Sat, 6 May 2006 18:50:20 UTC, Mike Clayton
<news2006a.20.mikelclayton@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> With the exception of Gold, the above is what I was taught in the RAF.
> We used Golf.

I have always used Golf (amateur radio only, no RAF!)

--
Bob Eager
begin 123 a new life...take up Extreme Ironing!

Peter

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

On Sat, 6 May 2006 18:59:06 +0100, "!" <..> wrote:

>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
>The 'accepted' one by industry is:
>
>Alpha
>Bravo
>Charlie
>Delta
>Echo
>Foxtrot
>Gold

It's Golf - Gold may be confused with Cold

>Hotel
>India
>Mike
>November
>Oscar
>Papa
>Quebec
>Romeo
>Sierra
>Tango
>Uniform
>Victor
>Xray
>Yankee
>Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

I still use Zulu - or do you think Yankee should be changed for the
sake of PC?
--
Peter

Prometheus

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

In article <1146938043_6935@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, ! <?.?.?@?.?.invalid>
writes
>X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
>The 'accepted' one by industry is:

>Gold
Golf?

>Yankee
Why no PC objection to this?

>Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
Why should a reference to the Zulu nation be unacceptable but not to
India? Or even Quebec?

--
Ian G8ILZ

tadchem

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

Prometheus wrote:
> In article <1146938043_6935@sp6iad.superfeed.net>, ! <?.?.?@?.?.invalid>
> writes

<snip>

> Why no PC objection to this?
>
> Why should a reference to the Zulu nation be unacceptable but not to
> India? Or even Quebec?

"Political correctness" is a euphemism for "not completely correct" -
in other words "wrong."

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

tadchem

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

Martin Hogbin wrote:
> "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
> The Nato/ international one has the widest use and acceptance
> in the UK.
>
> Martin Hogbin

The NATO/International phonetic alphabet is also standard with the US
Department of Defense. At the Academy I was required to be able to
recite it in 7 seconds flat, including adding a "Sir!" at the end. If
you practice it enough to do that, you *know* it.

Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message news:rM57g.111637$xt.64874@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
> news:1b-dnfNn7-wFSsHZRVnyjw@bt.com...
> |
> | "From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com...
> | >
> | > "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> | > news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> | > > For example, which can I use in
> | > >
> | > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> | > > (b) international situations
> | >
> | > (a) .
> | > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
> | > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
> | > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
> | > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
> | > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
> | > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
> | > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
> |
> | also
> | G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
> |
> | > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
> |
> | and
> | H for It..................................(hate you for it)
> |
> | > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
> | > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
> | > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
> | > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
> | > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
> | > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
> | > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
> | > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
> | > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
> | > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
> | > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
> | > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
> | > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
> | > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
> | > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
> | > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
> | > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
> | > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
> |
> | In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his
> hat)
> |
> | Martin Hogbin
>
> You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for tat.
>
> http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/
>
> 'Owzat?

Not out.

Having had a look round the net it would seem that
Z for Wind was used in the UK.

Martin Hogbin

Lem

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

On 06 May 2006, !<..> wrote:

> "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
> The 'accepted' one by industry is:
>
> Alpha
> Bravo
> Charlie
> Delta
> Echo
> Foxtrot
> Gold
> Hotel
> India
> Mike
> November
> Oscar
> Papa
> Quebec
> Romeo
> Sierra
> Tango
> Uniform
> Victor
> Xray
> Yankee
> Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
of its universaility and it retains clarity.

As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).

Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?

T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
name.

F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

Heh!

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-06, 5:21 pm

"!" <..> wrote in message news:1146938043_6935@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
> "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>
> The 'accepted' one by industry is:
>
> Alpha
> Bravo
> Charlie
> Delta
> Echo
> Foxtrot
> Gold
> Hotel
> India
> Mike
> November
> Oscar
> Papa
> Quebec
> Romeo
> Sierra
> Tango
> Uniform
> Victor
> Xray
> Yankee
> Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

What industry? I have never heard 'Gold' or 'Zebra' used.

From the shack of G1LVN

2006-05-06, 6:21 pm

"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:w7Odna1MneFhfsHZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> dont worry about phonics, just learn all the "Q" signals

until.0 you .0have.0 to .0spell .0them.0 out.0 LOL

Prometheus

2006-05-06, 6:21 pm

In article <Xns97BBD8470C04DD5E712@127.0.0.1>, Lem <mail@mail.com>
writes
>On 06 May 2006, !<..> wrote:

>I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
>and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
>upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.
>
>U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
>and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
>of its universaility and it retains clarity.
>
>As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
>understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).
>
>Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
>mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
>for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
>need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?
>
>T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
>name.
>
>F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

They are supposed to be recognisable sounds for use in poor conditions
which people who need to use them are familiar with and know start with
the specific letter, there is no requirement to know where Quebec is for
example. It also does not matter if you say Mic (microphone) or Mike
(Michael), they sound the same and both begin with 'M' whereas 'mother'
could be misheard as 'other' and being non-standard the listener would
not know they had misheard; was it 'Tommy' or 'pome', is it Fready or
Ready? Oh, and isn't Tommy a brand of children's toys?

Oh, and just what is the connexion with sci.physics?
--
Ian G8ILZ

Lem

2006-05-06, 7:21 pm

On 06 May 2006, Prometheus<Prometheus@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> They are supposed to be recognisable sounds for use in poor
> conditions which people who need to use them are familiar with and
> know start with the specific letter, there is no requirement to
> know where Quebec is for example. It also does not matter if you
> say Mic (microphone) or Mike (Michael), they sound the same and
> both begin with 'M' whereas 'mother' could be misheard as 'other'
> and being non-standard the listener would not know they had
> misheard; was it 'Tommy' or 'pome', is it Fready or Ready? Oh, and
> isn't Tommy a brand of children's toys?

I would suggest that hearing is connected with meaning.

If I say "W for wardle", you might hear wardle correctly but need to
stop and ask me if I meant "wardle" as it is not a word you have
heard of before.

--

>
> Oh, and just what is the connexion with sci.physics?
>

sci.physics is read by people who have to be very precise in their
spoken technical communications with colleagues on the phone and are
likely to involve formulas. If the formula is a new one in which you
have selected the variables yourself then it's essential to
communicate exactly the right variable as its context may not be a
guide to which variable is intended.

(By contrast sci.chem's communications often involve coumpounds whose
chemical formulas are often already known or the communcations are
partly self-correcting in that certain combinations of elements may
not be possible and there are a relatively small and limited number
of compounds which satisfy the remaining valence of a parent
compound.)

HTH.

sigged.

PhilT

2006-05-06, 7:21 pm

! wrote:

> Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

seems pretty unlikely, as Mandela's South Africa has a province called
KwaZuluNatal replacing Natal.

Phil

Hexenmeister

2006-05-06, 7:21 pm

"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
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|
| "Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
news:rM57g.111637$xt.64874@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
| >
| > "Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
| > news:1b-dnfNn7-wFSsHZRVnyjw@bt.com...
| > |
| > | "From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com...
| > | >
| > | > "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
| > | > > For example, which can I use in
| > | > >
| > | > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| > | > > (b) international situations
| > | >
| > | > (a) .
| > | > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
| > | > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
| > | > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
| > | > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
| > | > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
| > | > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
| > | > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
| > |
| > | also
| > | G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
| > |
| > | > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
| > |
| > | and
| > | H for It..................................(hate you for it)
| > |
| > | > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
| > | > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
| > | > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
| > | > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
| > | > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
| > | > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
| > | > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
| > | > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
| > | > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
| > | > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
| > | > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
| > | > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
| > | > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
| > | > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
| > | > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
| > | > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
| > | > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
| > | > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
| > |
| > | In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for
his
| > hat)
| > |
| > | Martin Hogbin
| >
| > You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for
tat.
| >
| > http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/
| >
| > 'Owzat?
|
| Not out.
|
| Having had a look round the net it would seem that
| Z for Wind was used in the UK.

Yikes!

Figured out how to calibrate doppler radar yet so that you can measure
the speed of a train, or are you still troubled?
You'll find most train drivers rely on speedometers, they seem adequate
for the task, but of course they are measuring the speed of the track.
It does seem to be the same thing, though.

When asked if New York stops at this train, Galileo replied "Yes".

Einstein said "As has already been shown to the first order
of small quantities (by Galileo, but the secret to creativity
is knowing how to hide your sources so we won't mention him)
the same laws of mechanics will be valid for all frames of
reference for which the equations of electrodynamics and optics
hold good. We will raise this conjecture (the purport of which
will hereafter be called the "Principle of Relativity" so that
it looks as if I discovered it) to the status of a postulate,
because everything should be as simple as possible but not simpler
and imagination is more important than knowledge and if we knew
what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would
it? and as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they
are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality and God doesn't play craps, poker or roulette and he may
be subtle, but he isn't plain mean and God does not care about our
mathematical difficulties; he integrates empirically and and what
really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation
of the world and I never think of the future, it comes soon enough
and if you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the
tailor and a table, a chair, a bowl of fruit and a violin; what
else does a man need to be happy? and it would be possible to
describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense
and common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age
eighteen and the whole of science is nothing more than a
refinement of everyday thinking and do not worry about your
difficulties in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are still
greater and two things are infinite: the universe and human
stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Which is all very well, but does New York stop at this fucking
train or not?
It had better, or the Hudson River will stop at this train.

Androcles.

| Martin Hogbin
|
|

Walt Davidson

2006-05-06, 7:21 pm

On Sat, 06 May 2006 12:36:25 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:

>"P" as on "phonetic"?

"The personal here would be Mike. I spell, Mike ....
Er, I spell ....."

73 de Wlat

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

TimPerry

2006-05-06, 7:21 pm

"From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:nbidndBCBr04mcDZRVny1A@bt.com...
>
> "TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:w7Odna1MneFhfsHZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
> until.0 you .0have.0 to .0spell .0them.0 out.0 LOL
>

was that QRM i just heard

Hexenmeister

2006-05-06, 8:21 pm

From the shack of G1LVN

2006-05-06, 8:21 pm

"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:tqadnYey7o34vcDZRVn-vw@adelphia.com...
>
> "From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:nbidndBCBr04mcDZRVny1A@bt.com...
>
> was that QRM i just heard

Quite!

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---
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http://www.g1lvn.org.uk
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Hexenmeister

2006-05-06, 8:21 pm

"Owain" <owain47125@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote in message
news:1146950291.12453.4@damia.uk.clara.net...
|! wrote:
| > Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
|
| Do we adjust our clocks to Zebra time now then?
|
| Owain
Nah... UTC.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles

DieSea

2006-05-06, 8:21 pm

"Peter" <peter.thomasINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote in message
news:2jup52dtd84rai3ouamsog42jomqp7b14a@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 6 May 2006 18:59:06 +0100, "!" <..> wrote:
>
>
> It's Golf - Gold may be confused with Cold
>
>
> I still use Zulu - or do you think Yankee should be changed for the
> sake of PC?
> --
> Peter

How about

Z = Zombie
I=eejit (Idiot)
H I'm still thinking about that one ( suggestions welcome ) .

DieSea

Peter Duck

2006-05-06, 8:21 pm

In message <Xns97BBD8470C04DD5E712@127.0.0.1>
Lem <mail@mail.com> wrote:

> ... The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
> and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
> upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

Not to anyone who remembers the pre-1950 (British-only?) version, and
who had to unlearn 'Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy, Fox, ...'

You're free, of course, to use whatever you like in private between
consenting adults, but 'improving' a long-accepted international
standard of some importance to life-critical aeronautical/maritime
communications is not something on which to lightly embark.

--
Peter Duck <pduck@zetnet.co.uk>

Prometheus

2006-05-07, 4:21 am

In article <Xns97BBE71CA6CBCD5E712@127.0.0.1>, Lem <mail@mail.com>
writes
>On 06 May 2006, Prometheus<Prometheus@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
>
>I would suggest that hearing is connected with meaning.
>
>If I say "W for wardle", you might hear wardle correctly but need to
>stop and ask me if I meant "wardle" as it is not a word you have
>heard of before.
>
You do not have to know what the word means, you only have to know what
letter the word starts with; hence the "standard NATO/international
phonetic alphabet" is used to assist clarity between people who are
trained to use it, it is not intended for use by people who are
untrained and unfamiliar with the words (vodka = V not W (wodka in its
home).

P.S. I also subscribe to sci.physics
--
Ian G8ILZ

Colin Forrester

2006-05-07, 6:21 am

Lem wrote:

Golf
[color=darkred]

Zulu
[color=darkred]
> I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
> and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
> upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

It's no trouble at all - and who won the war anyway? It's Golf and Zulu
thru and thru! :-)

GM6TRS

2006-05-07, 2:21 pm

"Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
> words such as my address.
>
> I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other
people
> on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").
>
> I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
> It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker
from
> Latin America or Asia Pacific.
>
> There are many phonetic alphabets
www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
> but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?
>
> For example, which can I use in
>
> (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> (b) international situations
>
>
> Thank you.

Your posited Latino or Asian may not picture an English gentleman by the
name of Michael - more likely a microphone.

I don't think the rest of the NATO International & Aviation phonetic
alphabet would cause him any problems either - it is after all a
long-established *international* alphabet. Good for the UK, or anywhere
else on Earth. Klingons, though - could be a problem there...

- -
Martin

2006-05-07, 2:21 pm

"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
news:rM57g.111637$xt.64874@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> "Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
> news:1b-dnfNn7-wFSsHZRVnyjw@bt.com...
> |
> | "From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com...
> | >
> | > "Lem" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
> | > news:Xns97BB978B6CAD3D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> | > > For example, which can I use in
> | > >
> | > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> | > > (b) international situations
> | >
> | > (a) .
> | > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
> | > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
> | > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
> | > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
> | > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
> | > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
> | > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
> |
> | also
> | G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
> |
> | > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
> |
> | and
> | H for It..................................(hate you for it)
> |
> | > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
> | > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
> | > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
> | > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
> | > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
> | > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
> | > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
> | > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
> | > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
> | > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
> | > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
> | > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
> | > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
> | > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
> | > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
> | > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
> | > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
> | > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
> |
> | In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for
> his
> hat)
> |
> | Martin Hogbin
>
> You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for tat.
>
> http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/
>
> 'Owzat?
> Androcles
>
>

'Clucking Bell'

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Ivor Jones

2006-05-07, 4:21 pm

"Walt Davidson" <g3nyy@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:1v6q52p7dlq3g54gmjmftg7gmvcdrkjock@4ax.com
> On Sat, 06 May 2006 12:36:25 -0400, gfretwell@aol.com
> wrote:
>
>
> "The personal here would be Mike. I spell, Mike ....
> Er, I spell ....."
>
> 73 de Wlat

"The personal" ?? Are we on CB now then..?! I have a name, I don't have
"a" personal, although I have a lot of things that are personal..!

BTW who's this "Wlat" bloke..?

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2006-05-07, 4:21 pm

"tadchem" <tadchem@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1146945276.295438.172150@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> Prometheus wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
> "Political correctness" is a euphemism for "not
> completely correct" - in other words "wrong."

Ah, you mean "total bollocks", that sounds about right..!

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2006-05-07, 4:21 pm

"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
news:Ky97g.88806$tc.13091@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk
> "Owain" <owain47125@stirlingcity.coo.uk> wrote in message
> news:1146950291.12453.4@damia.uk.clara.net...
> Nah... UTC.

Neither, GMT..!

Ivor

Jim

2006-05-07, 5:21 pm

On Sun, 7 May 2006 19:44:38 +0100, "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid>
wrote:

>
>
>"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
>news:Ky97g.88806$tc.13091@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>
>Neither, GMT..!

Inaccurate.

--

73, Jim, G4RGA

Campaign for a Scottish Internet Domain .sco
http://www.dotsco.org

Hexenmeister

2006-05-07, 6:21 pm

Peter

2006-05-07, 7:21 pm

On Sat, 06 May 2006 21:15:39 +0100, Lem <mail@mail.com> wrote:

>On 06 May 2006, !<..> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
>and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
>upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

I've never been in the armed forces, am clean shaven and use the
phonic alphabet to ensure people (often in the US or Asia) are able to
correctly understand my meaning
>
>U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
>and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
>of its universaility and it retains clarity.

It's not an alphabet for use between UK "natives" - it's meant to ne,
and is, an international alphabet
>
>As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
>understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).

No, "Mother" may be misheard as "other"
>
>Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
>mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
>for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
>need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?
>
>T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
>name.

I would suggest that people don't worry about trademarks, but are more
concerned with clarity and comprenension - hence Tommy may be misheard
as Johnny
>
>F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

I despair
--
Peter

Ivor Jones

2006-05-07, 8:21 pm

"Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
news:%rt7g.237142$8Q3.57115@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk

[snip]

> I'm on summer time, GMT +1.

My amateur radio log isn't..!

Ivor

Pete Schult

2006-05-07, 8:21 pm

In article <VeqdnbPVzdwBVMHZRVnyuw@bt.com>,
"From the shack of G1LVN" <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote:

> A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
> B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
> C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
> D for Ential .................. (Differential)
> E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
> F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
> G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
> H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
> I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
> J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
> K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
> L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
> M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
> N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
> O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
> P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
> Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
> R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
> S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
> T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
> U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
> V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
> W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
> X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
> Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
> Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

One that's not quite perfect:

Aye
Bdellium
Czar
Djin
Eye
Floyd
Gnome
Hour
I
Javier
Knot
Llama
Mnemonic
Ngwee
Oedipal
Pneumonia
Quay
Rwanda
Sense
Tsar
Umlaut
Veldt
Write
Xavier
Yttrium
Zeitgeist

--
Pete Schult http://mysite.verizon.net/pschult/
pschult@verizon.net

The Ghost In The Machine

2006-05-07, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 07 May 2006 19:44:38 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:

>
>
> "Hexenmeister" <vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote in message
> news:Ky97g.88806$tc.13091@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk
>
> Neither, GMT..!
>
> Ivor

UTC is more precise, as it has leap seconds. :-) Admittedly, I don't know
how much that screws up astronomical predictions.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

M0WWS

2006-05-08, 6:21 am

Spot on Peter. This was all sorted out after much discussion around the
world in the 1950's.

M0WWS

2006-05-08, 7:21 am

My PC isn't it runs the log and turns on the gateway as well as running
the activity plots on:

http://www.g1lvn.org.uk

They all need UTC

(screw's up Usenet big time though)

Ivor Jones

2006-05-08, 9:21 am

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill3@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:pan.2006.05.07.23.03.19.65328@earthlink.net
> On Sun, 07 May 2006 19:44:38 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
> UTC is more precise, as it has leap seconds. :-)
> Admittedly, I don't know how much that screws up
> astronomical predictions.

Sorry, I can't help it..! I'm a Londoner by birth and I was always rather
fond of Greenwich..!

Ivor

The Magnum

2006-05-08, 2:21 pm

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c8o8tF13v6jbU1@individual.net...

> Sorry, I can't help it..! I'm a Londoner by birth and I was always rather
> fond of Greenwich..!
>
> Ivor

'Grotbags' on 'The Pink Windmill' was a Green Witch... don't tell me you
were fond of her too !! ;o)

Graham
(Only knows this because of his two younger daughters)
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19

linker3000

2006-05-08, 4:21 pm

Lem wrote:
> Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
> words such as my address.
>
> I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
> on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").
>
> I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
> It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
> Latin America or Asia Pacific.
>
> There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
> but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?
>
> For example, which can I use in
>
> (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
> (b) international situations
>
>
> Thank you.
> Lem
>
>

>
I did some consulting in a large call centre once and one of the
training rooms was booked out to the Virgin (as in trains and airways
etc.) team for new recruits. The phonetic alphabet was plastered on all
the walls - can't remember it all, but it started...

A - Alpha
B - Branson
etc.

I kid you not!

M0WWS

2006-05-08, 4:21 pm

that guy needs an island to keep his ego in...er hang on he has one!

Mike Causer

2006-05-08, 5:21 pm

On Sat, 06 May 2006 18:59:06 +0100, wrote:

> The 'accepted' one by industry is:

> Gold

Shirly you mean "Golf"?

Mike

Ivor Jones

2006-05-08, 10:21 pm

"The Magnum" <magnum@mag2781.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:445f789e$0$24999$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4c8o8tF13v6jbU1@individual.net...
>
>
> 'Grotbags' on 'The Pink Windmill' was a Green Witch...
> don't tell me you were fond of her too !! ;o)

I've never heard of either of them, so I can safely say no..! But then I
was always good at spelling..!

Ivor

The Magnum

2006-05-09, 6:21 pm

>
> I've never heard of either of them, so I can safely say no..! But then I
> was always good at spelling..!
>
> Ivor

Congratulations....

Graham
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19

Martin Hogbin

2006-05-09, 7:21 pm

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message news:4c8o8tF13v6jbU1@individual.net...
>
>
> "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill3@earthlink.net> wrote in
> message news:pan.2006.05.07.23.03.19.65328@earthlink.net
>
> Sorry, I can't help it..! I'm a Londoner by birth and I was always rather
> fond of Greenwich..!

No need to apologise. UTC and GMT are the same thing.
UTC is the official name but GMT is still sometimes used
in place of UTC within the UK.

Because GMT can have several meanings, however, its use
is not recommended in technical contexts.

Martin Hogbin

Martin Hogbin

Phil Partridge

2006-05-09, 8:21 pm

In article <pan.2006.05.07.23.03.19.65328@earthlink.net>, The Ghost In
The Machine <ewill3@earthlink.net> writes
>On Sun, 07 May 2006 19:44:38 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>
>UTC is more precise, as it has leap seconds. :-) Admittedly, I don't know
>how much that screws up astronomical predictions.
>
Presumably 'astronomically', but only to a very small degree!
Philip Partridge

Phil Partridge

2006-05-09, 8:21 pm

In article <b4mdnerVjuOsv8DZRVny1Q@bt.com>, From the shack of G1LVN
<gareth.paley@gmail.com> writes
>
>"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:tqadnYey7o34vcDZRVn-vw@adelphia.com...
>
>Quite!
>
>
ZCZC

Please stop STOP This is making me SQuiRM STOP

ENDS

NNNN
Philip Partridge

Bob Eager

2006-05-09, 8:21 pm

On Tue, 9 May 2006 21:54:16 UTC, "Martin Hogbin"
<goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote:

> No need to apologise. UTC and GMT are the same thing.
> UTC is the official name but GMT is still sometimes used
> in place of UTC within the UK.
>
> Because GMT can have several meanings, however, its use
> is not recommended in technical contexts.

ISTR, many years ago, having a confusion problem with BST too.

That's Bering Straits Time...

--
Bob Eager
begin 123 a new life...take up Extreme Ironing!

Ivor Jones

2006-05-09, 10:21 pm

"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in
message news:8tCdnSmjJsblkvzZRVnytg@bt.com
> "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4c8o8tF13v6jbU1@individual.net...

[snip]

>
> No need to apologise. UTC and GMT are the same thing.
> UTC is the official name but GMT is still sometimes used
> in place of UTC within the UK.

Actually, I am well aware that GMT and UTC aren't *quite* the same thing,
I was being facetious as usual..!

http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2006-05-09, 10:21 pm

"Phil Partridge" <philp@pebble.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:B115nLA6iRYEFw4I@pebble.demon.co.uk
> In article <pan.2006.05.07.23.03.19.65328@earthlink.net>,
> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill3@earthlink.net> writes

[snip]

> Presumably 'astronomically', but only to a very small
> degree!

Might bugger up yer average starship navigation though.

Ivor

Ivor Jones

2006-05-09, 10:21 pm

"Phil Partridge" <philp@pebble.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:+FJ2rEAJeRYEFw9J@pebble.demon.co.uk

[SNIP]

> ZCZC
>
> Please stop STOP This is making me SQuiRM STOP
>
> ENDS
>
> NNNN
> Philip Partridge

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE G6URP G6URP G6URP
CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE G6URP G6URP G6URP
PSE KKK

Ivor Jones

2006-05-09, 10:21 pm

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
news:4ccsudF15a3qcU1@individual.net
> "Phil Partridge" <philp@pebble.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:+FJ2rEAJeRYEFw9J@pebble.demon.co.uk
>
> [SNIP]
>
>
> RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
> CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE G6URP G6URP G6URP
> CQ CQ CQ CQ CQ DE G6URP G6URP G6URP
> PSE KKK

No, forget it, doesn't quite have the same "feel" as my old Creed 444..!

Ivor

Hexenmeister

2006-05-10, 5:21 am

"Martin Hogbin" <goatREMOVETHIS123@hogbin.org> wrote in message
news:8tCdnSmjJsblkvzZRVnytg@bt.com...

Mission accomplished.
Androcles

Charlie Pearce

2006-05-10, 3:21 pm

On Sat, 06 May 2006 21:56:49 GMT, "Hexenmeister"
<vanquish@broom.Mickey_c> wrote:

>Which is all very well, but does New York stop at this fucking
>train or not?

I was led to believe that New York *never* stopped...

Charlie
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M0WWS

2006-05-10, 6:21 pm

Appologies just seen this was crossposted (it's hard to tell in google)
My comments were for uk.radio.amateur

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
EOT

M0WWS

2006-05-10, 6:21 pm

Appologies just seen this was crossposted (it's hard to tell in google)
My comments were for uk.radio.amateur

RYRYRYRYRYRYRYRYRY
EOT

Charlie Pearce

2006-05-12, 10:21 am

On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:36:30 +0100, Peter
<peter.thomasINVALID@nidum.plus.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 May 2006 18:59:06 +0100, "!" <..> wrote:
>
>
>It's Golf - Gold may be confused with Cold

I thought the important point was that the receiver should already be
familiar with the alphabet, and that the words used shouldn't be
confused for other words in the same alphabet, not any other words in
the English lexicon...

Charlie
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Mark Evans

2006-05-23, 2:21 pm

Lem <mail@mail.com> wrote:
> On 06 May 2006, !<..> wrote:

[color=darkred]
> I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
> and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
> upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

Over a low power radio channel with awful
signal to noise.

> U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
> and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
> of its universaility and it retains clarity.

Depends if you have a radio built into your
pen

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Mark Evans

2006-05-23, 2:21 pm

PhilT <newsnet@gmail.com> wrote:

> ! wrote:

[color=darkred]
> seems pretty unlikely, as Mandela's South Africa has a province called
> KwaZuluNatal replacing Natal.

IIRC a US "journalist" refered to Mr Mandela
as an "African American" when he was
president...

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daestrom

2006-05-23, 8:21 pm

"Mark Evans" <mpe@st-peters-high.devon.sch.uk> wrote in message
news:d4rbk3-1ai.ln1@st-peters-exeter.devon.sch.uk...
> PhilT <newsnet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> IIRC a US "journalist" refered to Mr Mandela
> as an "African American" when he was
> president...
>

We use 'Golf' for the 'G' instead (USNavy). And someone forgot 'Lima' and
'Whiskey'.

daestrom

Dave

2006-05-24, 4:21 pm

daestrom wrote:

> We use 'Golf' for the 'G' instead (USNavy). And someone forgot 'Lima'
> and 'Whiskey'.

That should be whisky. The irish may, or may not speak English :-)

Dave

M0WWS

2006-05-24, 4:21 pm

Quite

73deM0WWS (Double Whisky and Soda)

Peter Corlett

2006-05-24, 5:21 pm

M0WWS <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> 73deM0WWS (Double Whisky and Soda)

*Soda*?

A wee splash of spring water to release the aromatics in your single malt is
more than sufficient.

Unless you're drinking Bells or other cheap rubbish, at which point I
wouldn't ruin a perfectly good glass of Coke with it.

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M0WWS

2006-05-24, 7:21 pm

sorry for the cross post. I didn't realise that the original post as to
uk.telcom.wankers or whatever. Accept my appologies for cross postng to
teh idiot's NG

73deG1LVN

Dave

2006-05-24, 7:21 pm

Peter Corlett wrote:

> M0WWS <gareth.paley@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>
>
> *Soda*?
>
> A wee splash of spring water to release the aromatics in your single malt is
> more than sufficient.
>
> Unless you're drinking Bells or other cheap rubbish, at which point I
> wouldn't ruin a perfectly good glass of Coke with it.
>
RAOTFLMAO

You are man after my own heart when it comes to malts.

Dave

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