Electrical Engineering - Correct way to write 24 hour-time? Decimalpoint too.

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Correct way to write 24 hour-time? Decimalpoint too.

Alex Coleman

2006-05-27, 1:21 pm

(1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
format. Does a definitive format exist?

I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
to computer conventions of any sort.

QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
the correct format?

1816 hrs
18:16 hrs
18:16 hours
18:16 h
18:16
18.16
18-16

Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?
See below.

(2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point? I am English
and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
point.

But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
the air about half the height of the digits. Typewriters and word
prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
used. But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
way up the height of the digits?

--

posted to 3 groups whose members probably
need to be accurate about time recording

Sam Wormley

2006-05-27, 1:21 pm

Alex Coleman wrote:
> (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
> format. Does a definitive format exist?
>
> I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
> to computer conventions of any sort.
>

Sat May 27 15:32:17 UTC 2006

15:32

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com

2006-05-27, 2:21 pm

In sci.physics Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com> wrote:
> (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
> format. Does a definitive format exist?

> I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
> to computer conventions of any sort.

> QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> the correct format?

> 1816 hrs
> 18:16 hrs
> 18:16 hours
> 18:16 h
> 18:16
> 18.16
> 18-16

> Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?
> See below.

> (2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point? I am English
> and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
> point.

> But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
> the air about half the height of the digits. Typewriters and word
> prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
> used. But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
> way up the height of the digits?

> --

> posted to 3 groups whose members probably
> need to be accurate about time recording

Ignoring computers leaves military and aviation as users of 24 hour
time.

By their convention, when written, the time would be 1816Z if in UTC,
some other letter if a different time zone.

When spoken, it would be eighteen sixteen zulu if in UTC, or eighteen
sixteen local.

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Jim Pennino

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Alex Coleman

2006-05-27, 3:21 pm

On 27 May 2006, <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote:

> In sci.physics Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Ignoring computers leaves military and aviation as users of 24 hour
> time.

That was not my intention. I am thinking of this purely for use by the
layman.

As this forum is accessed by computer then I wanted to be clear that
wideley used Unix or Microsoft time formats (however standard in
computing) are not relevant here.

>
> By their convention, when written, the time would be 1816Z if in
> UTC, some other letter if a different time zone.
>
> When spoken, it would be eighteen sixteen zulu if in UTC, or
> eighteen sixteen local.

Alex Coleman

2006-05-27, 3:21 pm

On 27 May 2006, Sam Wormley<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

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> Alex Coleman wrote:
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> Sat May 27 15:32:17 UTC 2006
>
> 15:32
>

You would not put in "hours" or "hrs" then to qualify "15:32"?

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com

2006-05-27, 3:21 pm

In sci.physics Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com> wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote:

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> That was not my intention. I am thinking of this purely for use by the
> layman.

Then you are SOL since "layman" don't use 24 hour time and it confuses
most of them.

> As this forum is accessed by computer then I wanted to be clear that
> wideley used Unix or Microsoft time formats (however standard in
> computing) are not relevant here.

24 hour time is not relevant at all to most people.

For those that it is, I gave you the convention.

For a time to be meaningful to geographically separated people, you
also need to account for time zones. Those too confuse "layman".
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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com

2006-05-27, 3:21 pm

In sci.physics Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com> wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, Sam Wormley<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:

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> You would not put in "hours" or "hrs" then to qualify "15:32"?

To avoid confusing it with weeks or fortnights perhaps?

The ":32" isn't in hours.

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Jan Panteltje

2006-05-27, 3:21 pm

On a sunny day (Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100) it happened Alex Coleman
<no@no-email.com> wrote in <Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1>:

>QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
>the correct format?

18:16 hr

James Kibo Parry

2006-05-27, 4:21 pm

In alt.engineering.electrical, sci.physics, and alt.astronomy,
Alex Coleman (no@no-email.com) wrote:
>
> (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
> format. Does a definitive format exist?

Yes. RFC 2822. You're soaking in it now!

RFC 2822 is like RFC 822, except it keeps working after AD 99.

> I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
> to computer conventions of any sort.

Oh. Well, I suppose you could make two semaphore flags and hold them
at various angles to indicate which way the big hand and little hand go.

> QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> the correct format?
>
> 1816 hrs
> 18:16 hrs
> 18:16 hours
> 18:16 h
> 18:16
> 18.16
> 18-16
>
> Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?
> See below.

Hey, have you met our friend "Mr. 999 Centillion"? Maybe you and he
could refer to a computer convention together. Or perhaps a "Star Trek"
convention.

By the way, "16" is not a very good way to write "11", unless you're
using base 5, in which case you're going to go to jail for trying to
use the digit "6" which doesn't even exist in base 5. Stop trying
to confuse the issue with imaginary digits!

> (2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point?

By using the sharp end of the pencil, not the rubber end. Remember,
if it's a "6H" pencil, the "H" stands for "Hard", so you might want
to start with an "Easy" pencil. Less chance of poking your eye out.

> I am English and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol
> for the decomal point.

Of course, 'cause England doesn't use decimals any more. They use Metric.
So a comma is no longer called a "point" but a dot is now called a "comma"
which is why in England "dot com" is pronounced "comma dotta". That's also
in one of the RFCs, probably the one down the street from me that used
to be a Popeye's.

> But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
> the air about half the height of the digits.

Now that's an impressive trick. How did they keep it from blowing away?
Also, how much does it reduce your postage if you write a whole letter
using that special ink that hovers in the air? Are you Harry Potter?

> Typewriters and word prorcessors did not offer that half-way
> character so a full stop was used. But is it more correct to
> handwrite the decimal point as half way up the height of the digits?

Halfway up the one to the left, or halfway up the one to the right?
This is important because you might have multiple sizes of digits if you
want your gasoline's price to end in "point nine point nine point nine".

-- K.

So do you have any exciting
math theories based on the
research of Jack Bauer?

The Sorcerer

2006-05-27, 4:21 pm

"Alex Coleman" <no@no-email.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1...
| (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
| format. Does a definitive format exist?

"Definitive" means how you define it.

|
| I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
| to computer conventions of any sort.

So leave them out. Nobody is forcing you to put them in.

|
| QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
| the correct format?
|
| 1816 hrs
| 18:16 hrs
| 18:16 hours
| 18:16 h
| 18:16
| 18.16
| 18-16
|

Any of
hhmm hrs
hh:mm hrs
hh:mm hours
hh:mm h
hh:mm
hh.mm
hh-mm
18:11

I dunno how you got from 11 minutes past to 16 minutes past.

| Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?

I noted that you are NOT referring to computer conventions of any sort.

| See below.
|
| (2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point?

Is that by ballpoint, fountain pen, pencil, chalkstick, typewriter, on a
barn door,
on paper, in a movie, or some other media? Some people simply stab the
implement,
others write a tiny circle.

| I am English
| and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
| point.

I am part Welsh, part English, but that doesn't prevent me from reading
Deutsch (I don't speak it well, though).
"Beispiele ähnlicher Art, sowie die mißlungenen Versuche, eine Bewegung
der Erde relativ ..."

| But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
| the air about half the height of the digits. Typewriters and word
| prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
| used. But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
| way up the height of the digits?

Err... yes.
Oops, I used three decimal points as periods (or as full stops) together as
an ellipsis.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ellipsis
I wonder if you'll see the difference? The spacing between the dots isn't
quite right.

Get over your hang-up, all you really need is to be understood and
English is known worldwide. Those that pretend not to understand are trolls,
those that do not understand are either morons or simply uneducated. Learn
their language or wait until they learn English. In the meantime continue
to write in English.
Androcles

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| posted to 3 groups whose members probably
| need to be accurate about time recording

Sam Wormley

2006-05-27, 5:21 pm

Alex Coleman wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, Sam Wormley<swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
> You would not put in "hours" or "hrs" then to qualify "15:32"?

Why complicate it... one typically knows what it mean from the
context in which it is used.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-05-27, 5:21 pm

On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:03 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>24 hour time is not relevant at all to most people.

Depends on how you define "most people".
You may be right as long as you stick to your island :-)

The "rest of the world" uses 24 hours time :-)

17:45:03 GMT

HTH.
C.

jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com

2006-05-27, 5:21 pm

In sci.physics Charles D. Bohne <spam@pasoschweiz.de> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 May 2006 17:45:03 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

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> Depends on how you define "most people".

The majority of the people in a civilian supermarket, shopping mall or
movie theater.

Start asking people at random after noon what time it is.

How many respond in 24 hour time?

> You may be right as long as you stick to your island :-)

> The "rest of the world" uses 24 hours time :-)

> 17:45:03 GMT

> HTH.
> C.

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Hero

2006-05-27, 7:21 pm

Alex Coleman wrote:

> | QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> | the correct format?
> |
> | 1816 hrs
> | 18:16 hrs
> | 18:16 hours
> | 18:16 h
> | 18:16
> | 18.16
> | 18-16
1816 hrs = 75 days and 16 hours.
18:16 = 1 + 1 / 8, so this needs correction - although it is common on
digital watches.
18.16 = 18 + 16 / 100, so this is not true.
18-16 = 2.
What about
18 hours 16 minutes 38 seconds, and shortened
18 h 16 min 38 sec, or oldfashioned
18 h ( but the "h" put in upper case) 16 ' 38 ''
?
Hero

The Sorcerer

2006-05-27, 7:21 pm

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5a555$pe$1@news.datemas.de...
| On a sunny day (Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100) it happened Alex Coleman
| <no@no-email.com> wrote in <Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1>:
|
| >QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
| >the correct format?
|
| 18:16 hr

Typical... Five minutes in error.
18:11 hr

Charles D. Bohne

2006-05-27, 7:21 pm

On Sat, 27 May 2006 20:05:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:

>
>The majority of the people in a civilian supermarket, shopping mall or
>movie theater.
>
I don't know for sure what country YOU live in. And what you mean by
"civilian" ;-).

>Start asking people at random after noon what time it is.
>
Did that all my life ...

>How many respond in 24 hour time?
>
60 to 80 percent (in this part of the world).

German rule*) is the use of one point and the word "Uhr"
e.g. 17.30 Uhr , or 19.20 Uhr, 23.45 Uhr
in any written text.

C.

*) Includes Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg ...
and a couple of other European countries. The word "Uhr"
may vary according to the local language.

And yes, I know that Americans think that's just for use
in the military :->

Art Deco

2006-05-27, 9:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On Sat, 27 May 2006 20:05:01 GMT, jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
>
>I don't know for sure what country YOU live in. And what you mean by
>"civilian" ;-).
>
>Did that all my life ...
>
>60 to 80 percent (in this part of the world).
>
>German rule*) is the use of one point and the word "Uhr"
>e.g. 17.30 Uhr , or 19.20 Uhr, 23.45 Uhr
>in any written text.
>
>C.
>
>*) Includes Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg ...
>and a couple of other European countries. The word "Uhr"
>may vary according to the local language.
>
>And yes, I know that Americans think that's just for use
>in the military :->

And your anti-American bigotry has led you to another false conclusion,
Chu*k.

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operator jay

2006-05-27, 10:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne

2006-05-27, 10:21 pm

On Sat, 27 May 2006 19:44:09 -0500, "operator jay" <none@none.none>
wrote:

>ISO 8601
http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime
C.

krw

2006-05-28, 12:21 am

In article <4B3eg.225909$xt.157052@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
vanquish@broom.Mickey_f says...
>
> "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:e5a555$pe$1@news.datemas.de...
> | On a sunny day (Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100) it happened Alex Coleman
> | <no@no-email.com> wrote in <Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1>:
> |
> | >QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> | >the correct format?
> |
> | 18:16 hr
>
> Typical... Five minutes in error.
> 18:11 hr

I was wondering when someone would pick up the troll.

--

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The Sorcerer

2006-05-28, 9:21 am

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ee2d4a93a38655e9896e2@news.individual.net...
| In article <4B3eg.225909$xt.157052@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
| vanquish@broom.Mickey_f says...
| >
| > "Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:e5a555$pe$1@news.datemas.de...
| > | On a sunny day (Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100) it happened Alex
Coleman
| > | <no@no-email.com> wrote in <Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1>:
| > |
| > | >QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
| > | >the correct format?
| > |
| > | 18:16 hr
| >
| > Typical... Five minutes in error.
| > 18:11 hr
|
| I was wondering when someone would pick up the troll.

They do not pay attention to detail.
This is a more serious and costly trawl by the worst troll:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...ominoEffect.GIF
Androcles.

| --
|
| Keith

mike.j.harvey@gmail.com

2006-05-28, 1:21 pm

In France railway timetables etc put an 'h' after the hours figure so
11 minutes past six in the evening is written 18h11 and pronounced
"dix-huit heures onze"

Billy H

2006-05-29, 10:21 am

"Alex Coleman" <no@no-email.com> wrote in message news:Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1...
> (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
> format. Does a definitive format exist?
>
> I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
> to computer conventions of any sort.
>
> QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> the correct format?
>
> 1816 hrs
> 18:16 hrs
> 18:16 hours
> 18:16 h
> 18:16
> 18.16
> 18-16
>

18:11

Where did your 16 come from??

> Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?
> See below.
>
> (2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point? I am English
> and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
> point.
>

Broaden your mind.

In Engalnd we use a dot as the conventional decimal 'point' or poinr where the integer numbers end. On the Continent they conventionally (in some countries) use a comma.

Another fact is we tend to use the 'x' as the abscissa in England, and the 'y' for the ordinate. This is reversed in some countries on the continent.

The fundamental thing to do is to learn to understand what concept you are looking at or reading of, then the convention does not matter provided you can follow through the logic in terms of the convention the authore has used.

> But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
> the air about half the height of the digits. Typewriters and word
> prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
> used. But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
> way up the height of the digits?
>
>

In maths we have a two fold use of the point.

It can be on the line or half way up and either way it indicates the integer stop point.

A dot can also indicate the arithmetical function ususally written as a 'x', multiplictaion.

The sexagesimal system of recording time, with 3'30''32

followed by a 'o' superscript, would read as 3hrs and 30 minutes 32 seconds AM. The same thing is indicated by 3:30:32, or by 03:30:32.

To translate it to decimal you divide the minutes by sixty, and the seconds by 3600 and add the results to the hours.

e.g. 3:30:32 = 3+(30/60)+(32/3600) = 3.509

In the 12 hour format the AM or PM should be used to indicate ante or post meridian. In the 24 hour format this is not necessary as the tme progress to the 13th hour etc. when the 1st hour post meridian is hit. In this case midnight is wrotten as 00:00:00.

>
>
> --
>
> posted to 3 groups whose members probably
> need to be accurate about time recording

Alex Coleman

2006-05-29, 8:21 pm

On 27 May 2006, <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote:

> In sci.physics Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com> wrote:
>
> Then you are SOL since "layman" don't use 24 hour time and it
confuses
> most of them.
>
>
> 24 hour time is not relevant at all to most people.
>
> For those that it is, I gave you the convention.
>
> For a time to be meaningful to geographically separated people, you
> also need to account for time zones. Those too confuse "layman".
>

Here in Europe we use 24 hour time a great deal.

Laymen and even old ladies both use it.

If you make a contention that applies only to the US then that's ok
but that is not where I live.

Jan Panteltje

2006-05-30, 6:21 am

On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 00:11:46 +0100) it happened Alex Coleman
<no@no-email.com> wrote in <Xns97D31FF76BDC71F3M4@127.0.0.1>:

>On 27 May 2006, <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote:
>
>confuses
>
>Here in Europe we use 24 hour time a great deal.
>
>Laymen and even old ladies both use it.
>
>If you make a contention that applies only to the US then that's ok
>but that is not where I live.
>
Wel, i did some introspection, as European, if in the Netherlands at
say 16:48h somebody askes you 'what time is it' (in Dutch: Weet U ook
hoe laat het is?), I would reply with '12 voor 5' (12 to five).
Because of the context people usually KNOW if it is morning or evening.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-05-30, 11:21 am

On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:17:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Wel, i did some introspection, as European, if in the Netherlands at
>say 16:48h somebody askes you 'what time is it' (in Dutch: Weet U ook
>hoe laat het is?), I would reply with '12 voor 5' (12 to five).
>Because of the context people usually KNOW if it is morning or evening.

Maybe - but you wouldn't do that on the phone with someone calling from
"het buitenland" :-)

C.

Jan Panteltje

2006-05-30, 11:21 am

On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 15:32:35 +0200) it happened Charles D. Bohne
<spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in <t8io729d8l7es9v43cchp9gvcg1utepj00@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 30 May 2006 09:17:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Maybe - but you wouldn't do that on the phone with someone calling from
>"het buitenland" :-)
>
>C.

We should all change to UTC 24h clock.
And drop the anual time shifts for summer and winter time.
You would get used to it fast.....

Earth is only so big.

krw

2006-05-30, 11:21 am

In article <e5hi0d$iio$1@news.datemas.de>,
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com says...
> On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 15:32:35 +0200) it happened Charles D. Bohne
> <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in <t8io729d8l7es9v43cchp9gvcg1utepj00@4ax.com>:
>
>
> We should all change to UTC 24h clock.
> And drop the anual time shifts for summer and winter time.
> You would get used to it fast.....

....and throw away 6B biological clocks?

> Earth is only so big.

Bit it's sooo round and only half of it lit up.

--
Keith

Jan Panteltje

2006-05-30, 12:21 pm

On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 10:15:53 -0400) it happened krw
<krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in <MPG.1ee61da16a58dac989700@news.individual.net>:

>In article <e5hi0d$iio$1@news.datemas.de>,
>pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com says...
>
>...and throw away 6B biological clocks?
>
>
>Bit it's sooo round and only half of it lit up.

Yes that is the problem, I have a little program 'kworldwatch' (Linux)
that displays a worldmap and shows where it is still light.
A watch with a function like that (when all is UTC) would make sense.

OTOH when you call your boss from the 'other side', you get a tape
that says: 'office hours from ww:xxh to yy:zzh', or he will use some
sleepy bad language, or he will be happy with the new contract.

But in case of 'events' (phone conferences for example, meetings, etc..)
it would make a lot of sense.
And that annoying updating the watch on the plane stuff would be gone.

Jetlag would stay though.

daestrom

2006-05-30, 7:21 pm

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5hkug$nj8$1@news.datemas.de...
> On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 10:15:53 -0400) it happened krw
> <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in <MPG.1ee61da16a58dac989700@news.individual.net>:
>
>
> Yes that is the problem, I have a little program 'kworldwatch' (Linux)
> that displays a worldmap and shows where it is still light.
> A watch with a function like that (when all is UTC) would make sense.
>
> OTOH when you call your boss from the 'other side', you get a tape
> that says: 'office hours from ww:xxh to yy:zzh', or he will use some
> sleepy bad language, or he will be happy with the new contract.

So someone in Sydney might have office hours of 00:00h to 08:00h UTC and in
London 08:00h to 16:00h UTC and NY office hours would be 13:00h to 21:00h
UTC. How is that less confusing??

>
> But in case of 'events' (phone conferences for example, meetings, etc..)
> it would make a lot of sense.
> And that annoying updating the watch on the plane stuff would be gone.
>

Okay, then when you land, the first thing you ask at the airport is, "What
time to people here eat their noon meal, and when is 'normal' working
hours?". The answer might be, "We tend to eat lunch about 20:00 and the
bank is open from 17:00 to 01:00."

Yeah, that's a *lot* more convenient than resetting your watch..... *NOT*

daestrom

Jan Panteltje

2006-05-31, 7:21 am

On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 21:32:48 GMT) it happened "daestrom"
<daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com> wrote in
<4S2fg.4125$3B.896@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

>
>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:e5hkug$nj8$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>So someone in Sydney might have office hours of 00:00h to 08:00h UTC and in
>London 08:00h to 16:00h UTC and NY office hours would be 13:00h to 21:00h
>UTC. How is that less confusing??
>
>
>Okay, then when you land, the first thing you ask at the airport is, "What
>time to people here eat their noon meal, and when is 'normal' working
>hours?". The answer might be, "We tend to eat lunch about 20:00 and the
>bank is open from 17:00 to 01:00."
>
>Yeah, that's a *lot* more convenient than resetting your watch..... *NOT*
>
>daestrom

You have not travelled a lot right?
I have, and opining times, special holidays, local ways of doing things
differ a LOT all over the world.
And if you have a problem with day and night, there is this big nuclear
powered indicator light in the sky.

T Wake

2006-05-31, 1:21 pm

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5jpfp$dk1$1@news.datemas.de...
> On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 21:32:48 GMT) it happened "daestrom"
> <daestrom@NO_SPAM_HEREtwcny.rr.com> wrote in
> <4S2fg.4125$3B.896@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
>
>
> You have not travelled a lot right?
> I have, and opining times, special holidays, local ways of doing things
> differ a LOT all over the world.
> And if you have a problem with day and night, there is this big nuclear
> powered indicator light in the sky.

Your solution doesn't solve any of those problems though. When communicating
between time zones, the sun is a poor indicator of who is working when etc.

Starman

2006-05-31, 5:21 pm

the correct answer would be 18:11

http://www.klokken.dk/

"Alex Coleman" <no@no-email.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:Xns97D0A6DB6CBFB71F3M4@127.0.0.1...
> (1) I see several worthy attempts to write the time in a 24-hour
> format. Does a definitive format exist?
>
> I want to leave out the seconds. Also note that I am NOT referring
> to computer conventions of any sort.
>
> QUESTION: If it is 11 minutes past six in the evening then what is
> the correct format?
>
> 1816 hrs
> 18:16 hrs
> 18:16 hours
> 18:16 h
> 18:16
> 18.16
> 18-16
>
> Does it vary between being written by a word processor and by hand?
> See below.
>
> (2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point? I am English
> and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
> point.
>
> But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
> the air about half the height of the digits. Typewriters and word
> prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
> used. But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
> way up the height of the digits?
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> posted to 3 groups whose members probably
> need to be accurate about time recording

Starman

2006-05-31, 6:21 pm

Jan Panteltje

2006-06-01, 7:21 am

On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:00 +0200) it happened "Starman"
<starman@universe.dk> wrote in
<447df941$0$38727$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>:

>the correct answer would be 18:11
>
>http://www.klokken.dk/

Nice site, gives the date too.

The Sorcerer

2006-06-02, 7:21 am

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e5mdbh$95b$1@news.datemas.de...
| On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:00 +0200) it happened "Starman"
| <starman@universe.dk> wrote in
| <447df941$0$38727$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>:
|
| >the correct answer would be 18:11
| >
| >http://www.klokken.dk/
|
| Nice site, gives the date too.

Serverproblemer
Vi beklager. Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server. Vi arbejder på
højtryk for at løse problemet, så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.

Tak for din tålmodighed!

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-02, 1:21 pm

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:40:30 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>
>"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:e5mdbh$95b$1@news.datemas.de...
>| On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:00 +0200) it happened "Starman"
>| <starman@universe.dk> wrote in
>| <447df941$0$38727$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>:
>|
>| >the correct answer would be 18:11
>| >
>| >http://www.klokken.dk/
>|
>| Nice site, gives the date too.
>
>
>Serverproblemer
>Vi beklager. Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server. Vi arbejder på
>højtryk for at løse problemet, så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.
>
>Tak for din tålmodighed!
>
>
>
Nee: Der tages forbehold for ukorrekte datoer og klokkeslæt på denne
hjemmeside.
It works!
C.

The Sorcerer

2006-06-02, 3:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:nvo0825d0kh0ejc0egfds4id7h9antsrcu@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:40:30 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| >news:e5mdbh$95b$1@news.datemas.de...
| >| On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:00 +0200) it happened "Starman"
| >| <starman@universe.dk> wrote in
| >| <447df941$0$38727$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>:
| >|
| >| >the correct answer would be 18:11
| >| >
| >| >http://www.klokken.dk/
| >|
| >| Nice site, gives the date too.
| >
| >
| >Serverproblemer
| >Vi beklager. Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server. Vi arbejder på
| >højtryk for at løse problemet, så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.
| >
| >Tak for din tålmodighed!
| >
| >
| >
| Nee: Der tages forbehold for ukorrekte datoer og klokkeslæt på denne
| hjemmeside.
| It works!
| C.

Now it does. I haven't a clue what that double dutch means, but I think
there
was a server problem with the site when I tried to access it. ;-)
This one is a little nicer:
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java

Androcles.

The Sorcerer

2006-06-02, 3:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:nvo0825d0kh0ejc0egfds4id7h9antsrcu@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:40:30 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| >news:e5mdbh$95b$1@news.datemas.de...
| >| On a sunny day (Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:00 +0200) it happened "Starman"
| >| <starman@universe.dk> wrote in
| >| <447df941$0$38727$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>:
| >|
| >| >the correct answer would be 18:11
| >| >
| >| >http://www.klokken.dk/
| >|
| >| Nice site, gives the date too.
| >
| >
| >Serverproblemer
| >Vi beklager. Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server. Vi arbejder på
| >højtryk for at løse problemet, så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.
| >
| >Tak for din tålmodighed!
| >
| >
| >
| Nee: Der tages forbehold for ukorrekte datoer og klokkeslæt på denne
| hjemmeside.
| It works!
| C.

Now it does. I haven't a clue what that double dutch means, but I think
there was a server problem with the site when I tried to access it. ;-)

This site is a little nicer:
http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java

We Brits are superb at coordinating time to Greenwich Mean Time.

Androcles.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-02, 3:21 pm

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:44:55 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>| >Serverproblemer

Server problems

>| >Vi beklager.

We are sorry.

>| >Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server.

We do have a momentary problem with an server.

>| > Vi arbejder på højtryk for at løse problemet,

We work with high speed (lit. high preasure) to solve that
problem.

>| >så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.

This website can come op by itself again (?)
(Don't know what "snarest" means :-)

>| >
>| >Tak for din tålmodighed!
>| >
Thank you for your patience.

>Now it does. I haven't a clue what that double dutch means, but I think
>there was a server problem with the site when I tried to access it. ;-)
>
>This site is a little nicer:
> http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java
>
Thanks!

>We Brits are superb at coordinating time to Greenwich Mean Time.
>
It's no longer GMT, it's UT now :-)

>Androcles.
>
Have a look at our Swiss solution:
http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html

C.

The Sorcerer

2006-06-02, 5:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:8eu0829l902ic5drk49l3qh7p635kvhkma@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:44:55 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
|
|
| >| >Serverproblemer
|
| Server problems
|
| >| >Vi beklager.
|
| We are sorry.
|
| >| >Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server.
|
| We do have a momentary problem with an server.
|
| >| > Vi arbejder på højtryk for at løse problemet,
|
| We work with high speed (lit. high preasure) to solve that
| problem.
|
| >| >så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.
|
| This website can come op by itself again (?)
| (Don't know what "snarest" means :-)

Seems as if you may have referred to babelfish or similar.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

"snarest" is probably double dutch for "asap" and means
Soon
Now,
Any
Realistic
Estimate (of)
Snafu
Time? -- SNAREST.
The kids in the back seat say "Are we there yet, are we there yet?"
and dad says "snarest".

I suspect "op" is "up", possibly mistranslated by
Unicode (UTF-7 or UTF-8) or Windows (ISO)

| >| >
| >| >Tak for din tålmodighed!
| >| >
| Thank you for your patience.
|
| >Now it does. I haven't a clue what that double dutch means, but I think
| >there was a server problem with the site when I tried to access it. ;-)
| >
| >This site is a little nicer:
| > http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java
| >
| Thanks!

You are welcome.
It's kinda neat, showing the terminator without Arnie Schwarzenegger
starring in it, but unfortunately it is geared to the geocentric universe,
the sun is shown going around the Earth. At least the yankew .gov
bureaucrats put England, the first state, in a central position even if they
got their physics wrong and joined Einstein's Flat Earth Society.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...k/Clockgain.JPG

| >We Brits are superb at coordinating time to Greenwich Mean Time.
| >
| It's no longer GMT, it's UT now :-)

Ok, the next time I drive 30 miles to London I'll be sure to go via
Universal Studios
http://themeparks.universalstudios....er_landing.html
and meet Arnie Schwarzagovner instead of passing Flamsteed House.

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server.php?sho....8761&navId=005
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conMediaFile.3324
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conMediaFile.3325

| Have a look at our Swiss solution:
| http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html
|
Ok...
Now that is a little beyond the cuckoo clocks Einstein was checking
patents for typos while he wrote his cuckoo transformations and blamed
Lorentz for them.

Could you check these for typographical or other errors for me please?
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...TwinParadox.htm
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...Smart/Smart.htm

(I've found one in "Then sue me if you have the courage,
"Professor" Baez, I'm calling to [should be you] a lunatic.")

Androcles.

John Christiansen

2006-06-02, 5:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8eu0829l902ic5drk49l3qh7p635kvhkma@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:44:55 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
> <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
>
>
> Server problems
>
>
> We are sorry.
>
>
> We do have a momentary problem with an server.
>
>
> We work with high speed (lit. high preasure) to solve that
> problem.
>
>
> This website can come op by itself again (?)
> (Don't know what "snarest" means :-)

"snarest" means "as soon as possible" (one of several ways to write that in
Danish, could also be "hurtigst muligt")
>
> Thank you for your patience.
>
> Thanks!
>
> It's no longer GMT, it's UT now :-)
>
> Have a look at our Swiss solution:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html
>
> C.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-02, 8:21 pm

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:57:38 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>Seems as if you may have referred to babelfish or similar.
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr

No, I did it out of hand, and it's not Dutch ... 'cause
I speak Dutch, it's Danish.

I am willing to accept the rest of your post as a somewhat
strange way to say "thank you"... Ok, you are welcome.
C.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-02, 8:21 pm

On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:02:38 +0200, "John Christiansen"
<superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:

>
>"snarest" means "as soon as possible" (one of several ways to write that in
>Danish, could also be "hurtigst muligt")

Thank you, John!
So in German that would be "schnellstens" ... :-))

C.

The Sorcerer

2006-06-02, 10:21 pm

"John Christiansen" <superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote in message
news:4480995e$0$11172$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net...
|
| "Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> skrev i en meddelelse
| news:8eu0829l902ic5drk49l3qh7p635kvhkma@4ax.com...
| > On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:44:55 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| > <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
| >
| >
| >>| >Serverproblemer
| >
| > Server problems
| >
| >>| >Vi beklager.
| >
| > We are sorry.
| >
| >>| >Vi har i øjeblikket problemer med en server.
| >
| > We do have a momentary problem with an server.
| >
| >>| > Vi arbejder på højtryk for at løse problemet,
| >
| > We work with high speed (lit. high preasure) to solve that
| > problem.
| >
| >>| >så websitet kan komme op igen snarest.
| >
| > This website can come op by itself again (?)
| > (Don't know what "snarest" means :-)
|
| "snarest" means "as soon as possible" (one of several ways to write that
in
| Danish, could also be "hurtigst muligt")

The Yanks like a Danish. All their food seems to come from somewhere
else for some reason. Danish pastries, English muffins, Italian bread,
German sausage, Swiss cheese, Scotch whisky....although bagels seem
to be just bagels and pizza is just pizza. Even their courgettes are
zuccini.
It's kosher, though.
Androcles

| >
| >>| >
| >>| >Tak for din tålmodighed!
| >>| >
| > Thank you for your patience.
| >
| >>Now it does. I haven't a clue what that double dutch means, but I think
| >>there was a server problem with the site when I tried to access it. ;-)
| >>
| >>This site is a little nicer:
| >> http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Mountain/d/-7/java
| >>
| > Thanks!
| >
| >>We Brits are superb at coordinating time to Greenwich Mean Time.
| >>
| > It's no longer GMT, it's UT now :-)
| >
| >>Androcles.
| >>
| > Have a look at our Swiss solution:
| > http://www.timeanddate.com/time/internettime.html
| >
| > C.
|
|

Art Deco

2006-06-02, 11:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:02:38 +0200, "John Christiansen"
><superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:
>
>
>Thank you, John!
>So in German that would be "schnellstens" ... :-))
>
>C.

No scat lames this time, Chu*k-Nazi?

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

The Sorcerer

2006-06-03, 10:21 am

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:8bg1829avdsdr6cbdspir3u1j1gm92qnsu@4ax.com...
| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:57:38 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
|
| >Seems as if you may have referred to babelfish or similar.
| > http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
|
| No, I did it out of hand, and it's not Dutch ... 'cause
| I speak Dutch, it's Danish.

Danish is double dutch, isn't it? Anyway, it's all greek to me.

BTW, snipping is the equivalent of throwing the chess board
in the air when you see checkmate is inevitable. Rather graceless,
witless, stupid and you lose anyway.
Androcles

Art Deco

2006-06-03, 11:21 am

The Sorcerer <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
>news:8bg1829avdsdr6cbdspir3u1j1gm92qnsu@4ax.com...
>| On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:57:38 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
>| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>|
>| >Seems as if you may have referred to babelfish or similar.
>| > http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
>|
>| No, I did it out of hand, and it's not Dutch ... 'cause
>| I speak Dutch, it's Danish.
>
>Danish is double dutch, isn't it? Anyway, it's all greek to me.
>
>BTW, snipping is the equivalent of throwing the chess board
>in the air when you see checkmate is inevitable. Rather graceless,
>witless, stupid and you lose anyway.
>Androcles

Chuckweasel is the master of the snip-n-run.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

John Christiansen

2006-06-03, 12:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8ig182h5sdjk0u46h517rnja74u1oorn7m@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:02:38 +0200, "John Christiansen"
> <superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you, John!
> So in German that would be "schnellstens" ... :-))
>
> C.
Yes that is correct ....... :-)
JC

The Sorcerer

2006-06-03, 2:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-03, 9:21 pm

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:45:46 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>| No, I did it out of hand, and it's not Dutch ... 'cause
>| I speak Dutch, it's Danish.
>
>Danish is double dutch, isn't it? Anyway, it's all greek to me.
>
Ignorance is bliss?

>BTW, snipping is the equivalent of throwing the chess board
>in the air when you see checkmate is inevitable. Rather graceless,
>witless, stupid and you lose anyway.
>Androcles
>
No Mr. Androcles, you lost.

I am not "snipping" but "quoting" - and what I use from
your letters is up to ME.

C.

P.S.: You have a rather strange way to say !thank you!

... but then not being able to even understand languages of
your very own language family may make you feel graceless,
witless and stupid ... so I can understand your frustration.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-03, 9:21 pm

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:40:42 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>| Chuckweasel is the master of the snip-n-run.
>
>Show me a relativist that isn't. Humpty Roberts does it, Babbling Baez does
>it.

What the fu*k is a "relativist"? Someone who speaks more than one
language? Or someone who lived in more than one town/county/country?

C.

P.S.: I am proud to say I did, and still do!

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-03, 9:21 pm

On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:26:43 +0200, "John Christiansen"
<superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:

>Yes that is correct ....... :-)
>JC
Isn't it just wonderful that we have all these different views
and languages in Europe? Look how limited you become
when living in the States, only.

C.

Art Deco

2006-06-03, 10:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:40:42 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
><Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
>
>What the fu*k is a "relativist"? Someone who speaks more than one
>language? Or someone who lived in more than one town/county/country?
>
>C.
>
>P.S.: I am proud to say I did, and still do!

So Chu*k, got any evidence yet that I'm guilty of "identity theft"?

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

Art Deco

2006-06-03, 10:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:26:43 +0200, "John Christiansen"
><superkaempe@mail1.stofanet.dk> wrote:
>
>Isn't it just wonderful that we have all these different views
>and languages in Europe? Look how limited you become
>when living in the States, only.
>
>C.

That's our [tino] Chu*k, always ready with the anti-American bigotry.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

The Sorcerer

2006-06-03, 11:21 pm

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:co6482tn7a8vebf1ismp6hacoao853smd8@4ax.com...
| On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:40:42 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
| <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
|
| >| Chuckweasel is the master of the snip-n-run.
| >
| >Show me a relativist that isn't. Humpty Roberts does it, Babbling Baez
does
| >it.
|
| What the fu*k is a "relativist"? Someone who speaks more than one
| language? Or someone who lived in more than one town/county/country?
|
| C.
|
| P.S.: I am proud to say I did, and still do!

A fucking relativist is an arrogant cunt that thinks he understands
what a constant velocity isn't, and snips when you try to explain
to him what it really is because he is also an ostrich with his head up
his arse.
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...ominoEffect.GIF

Androcles

Androcles

2006-06-03, 11:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:45:46 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
> <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>

You have no idea what passes for humour in these newsgroups,
do you, troll?

[color=darkred]
[color=darkred]
> I am not "snipping"
I am not snipping too and what I use is up to ME, Chu*kweasel.
Androcles.

Charles D. Bohne

2006-06-04, 1:21 am

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:48:19 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

>| What the fu*k is a "relativist"? Someone who speaks more than one
>| language? Or someone who lived in more than one town/county/country?
>|
>| C.
>|
>| P.S.: I am proud to say I did, and still do!
>
>A fucking relativist is an arrogant cunt that thinks he understands
>what a constant velocity isn't, and snips when you try to explain
>to him what it really is because he is also an ostrich with his head up
>his arse.
> http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyond...ominoEffect.GIF

I see, you have a problem with science and some other people that
I don't know. So why do you mention it here? Do you suffer from mental
breakdowns from time to time?

C.

EOD

T Wake

2006-06-04, 7:21 am

"Charles D. Bohne" <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote in message
news:j8l482123detu1jv14ci77sk6r2ho54lh2@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:48:19 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
> <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
>
> I see, you have a problem with science and some other people that
> I don't know. So why do you mention it here? Do you suffer from mental
> breakdowns from time to time?

Yes. He does.

Art Deco

2006-06-04, 12:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On 3 Jun 2006 19:05:42 -0700, "Androcles" <androc1es@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I see you lost in arguments so you think calling me names will
>help your reputation. It's assholes like you, that give these groups
>a bad name. Bye.

Bye, Chu*k! Mind the @$$/door interface on your way out.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

Art Deco

2006-06-04, 12:21 pm

Charles D. Bohne <spam@PasoSchweiz.de> wrote:

>On 3 Jun 2006 19:05:42 -0700, "Androcles" <androc1es@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>P.S.: Does your inferiority complex hurt you very much,
>
> Mr. A N D R O C L E S ????
>
>bwhahahahahahahaha ....

Wow, it only took seven minutes for the Chu*k Plonker to start leaking.

--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler
Official Overseer of Kooks and Saucerheads in alt.astronomy
Co-Winner, alt.(f)lame Worst Flame War, December 2005

"And without accurate measuring techniques, how can they even
*call* quantum theory a "scientific" one? How can it possibly
be referred to as a "fundamental branch of physics"?"
-- Painsnuh the Lamer

"Well, orientals moved to the U.S. and did amazingly well on
their own, and the races are related (brown)."
-- "Honest" John pontificates on racial purity

"Significant new ideas have rarely come from the ranks of
the establishment."
-- Double-A on technology development

The Sorcerer

2006-06-04, 2:21 pm

The Ghost In The Machine

2006-06-04, 4:21 pm

On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:30:44 +0200, Charles D. Bohne wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:40:42 GMT, "The Sorcerer"
> <Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
>
> What the fu*k is a "relativist"? Someone who speaks more than one
> language? Or someone who lived in more than one town/county/country?
>
> C.
>
> P.S.: I am proud to say I did, and still do!

A relativist is one who supposedly believes in the "religion" of Special
or General Relativity [*], usually applied by a person who does not
believe in the experiments which substantiate Special or General
Relativity, and the specifications derived from calculations therefrom,
e.g., Global Positioning Satellites, the Large Hadron Collider, and
various astronomical assumptions based on the theory.

In short, many of are SRians/relativists. Androcles aka "The Sorcerer"
is not.

This is not to say SR and GTR are cast in stone. It's a good working
assumption, however, and has been for many years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_...eral_relativity

is a commentary on some of the tests that GTR has thus far passed.

[followups to sci.physics]

[*] it is worth noting that GTR includes SR as a special case.

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
It's still legal to go .sigless.

Anxo

2006-06-25, 3:25 am

On 03 Jun 2006, The Sorcerer<Headmaster@hogwarts.physics> wrote:

> BTW, snipping is the equivalent of throwing the chess board
> in the air when you see checkmate is inevitable. Rather graceless,
> witless, stupid and you lose anyway.
> Androcles

Your newsreader (and your own memory) should be able to tell you what
previous posts there have been in a thread.

There is no need for a single posting to carry the whole weight of a 20
or more deep nesting of replies. How does that baggage help anyone?

Snipping is the way to go for clarity. (Assuming you want your post to
be clear.) GNKSA should help you out with some guidelines in case you
need them.

Roy L. Fuchs

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100, Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com>
Gave us:

>(2) What is the correct way to write a decimal point? I am English
>and that means that a comma is not the correct symbol for the decomal
>point.

Aside from math... there are international standards for time
measurement and declaration.

Yes, it does include the seconds.

Try this link, and scroll down to page 5...

http://tf.nist.gov/service/pdf/computertime.pdf

Then, for your own country:

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

Roy L. Fuchs

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On Sat, 27 May 2006 16:24:09 +0100, Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com>
Gave us:

>But ISTR that when the decimal point was written by hand it was in
>the air about half the height of the digits.

Not that I ever observed.

> Typewriters and word
>prorcessors did not offer that half-way character so a full stop was
>used.

You're starting to scare me.

> But is it more correct to handwrite the decimal point as half
>way up the height of the digits?

Again, it is news to me.

Roy L. Fuchs

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On Sat, 27 May 2006 18:25:02 +0100, Alex Coleman <no@no-email.com>
Gave us:

>As this forum is accessed by computer then I wanted to be clear that
>wideley used Unix or Microsoft time formats (however standard in
>computing) are not relevant here.

Huh? They utilize the same standards.

Roy L. Fuchs

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:35 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> Gave us:

>On a sunny day (Tue, 30 May 2006 10:15:53 -0400) it happened krw
><krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in <MPG.1ee61da16a58dac989700@news.individual.net>:
>
>
>Yes that is the problem, I have a little program 'kworldwatch' (Linux)
>that displays a worldmap and shows where it is still light.
>A watch with a function like that (when all is UTC) would make sense.

Celestia.

snip

Roy L. Fuchs

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On Wed, 31 May 2006 10:00:23 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> Gave us:

>You have not travelled a lot right?
>I have, and opining times, special holidays, local ways of doing things
>differ a LOT all over the world.
>And if you have a problem with day and night, there is this big nuclear
>powered indicator light in the sky.

Cellphones ALWAYS set their time to the local cell node they are
logged onto.

Jan Panteltje

2006-06-25, 9:25 am

On a sunny day (Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:44:14 GMT) it happened Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in
<i2js92h47gg3gobeb997vdhf2qkif8kp83@4ax.com>:
> Earth is only so big.
>
> Celestia.

I just downloaded that Celestia (was that program you were referring to?),
and it actually installed!!!!
Now I hope it did not f*ck up my configs as some other prog did...
Anyways, ran the demo, and got a bit of Antares sunburn.....

Now to run the sys checks (also running servers on this box).

kworldwatch is smaller, faster, simpler, and I still have not got
the night-day world map in Celestia.

Do you know about 'xephem'? Now that is REAL stuff.
http://www.clearskyinstitute.com/xephem/xephem.html
Use it quite often actually.

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