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Politically Incorrect

2007-10-10, 5:25 pm

More fraudulent scammers who are lying about their savings just to defraud
you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouPUbn5hoho&eurl=

dont bother with the namecalling - I wont be reading

Charles Perry

2007-10-10, 8:25 pm

2007-10-12, 8:25 pm

"Politically Incorrect" <billmaher@tastelessjokes.org> wrote in message
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> More fraudulent scammers who are lying about their savings just to defraud
> you
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouPUbn5hoho&eurl=

Oh, a Youtube video of a newscast! I'll take a 1000 units right now!

Hope you don't mind if I pay be check...a third party, hand written check
drawn on a Nigerian bank...and I left my ID at home...

> dont bother with the namecalling - I wont be reading

Did you think the name calling was for your benifit only? Please! Vanity
IS a sin, you know. It's not like you get a discount by combining them.

And you Will be reading, because anybody stupid enough to go to a group of
folks who know better and try convincing them snake oil is worth something
is also stupid enough to come back and try again.

CS

Bob Ferapples

2007-10-14, 5:25 pm

On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:42:43 -0700, "CS" <Idontwork@fcc.gov> wrote:

>"Politically Incorrect" <billmaher@tastelessjokes.org> wrote in message
>news:86udnWdadu4Gq5DanZ2dnUVZ_s2tnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>Oh, a Youtube video of a newscast! I'll take a 1000 units right now!
>
>Hope you don't mind if I pay be check...a third party, hand written check
>drawn on a Nigerian bank...and I left my ID at home...
>
>
>Did you think the name calling was for your benifit only? Please! Vanity
>IS a sin, you know. It's not like you get a discount by combining them.
>
>And you Will be reading, because anybody stupid enough to go to a group of
>folks who know better and try convincing them snake oil is worth something
>is also stupid enough to come back and try again.
>
>CS
Am I missing something here? I thought he was calling these people
fraudulent scamers, which they sort of are.

The funny thing about that video is that they imply this is something
new. I was selling Nola energy savers to bowling alleys 20 years ago
for Nordic. We had a contract with AMF who, at that time, owned most
of their own alleys across the country. The application was completely
valid in that particular case, because the motors needed to run
continuously yet were loaded very sporadically (even more so if I were
bowling). We calculated the on-load time as no more than 15% of the
run time, so the Nola circuit (which all such devices are based on)
worked great.

The problem came up later when we attempted to apply the same
principal to other motor loads. if the motor is more than 50% loaded
more than 50% of the time, the device has next to no tangible benefit.
That's why I consider these people to be scammers. They KNOW this, yet
continue to do what that guy in the video was doing: use an ammeter to
show how it saved "energy" because the amps were lower. They ALWAYS
fail to explain to their suckers, er "customers" that the meter
records kWH, not amps, and the device does little or nothing for the
kWh if the motor is loaded. Ait contitioning motors are loaded
whenever they are running, so the part of that video where they said
he was selling them to hotels for AC units is essentially evidence of
a crime.

Palindrome

2007-10-14, 5:25 pm

Bob Ferapples wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:42:43 -0700, "CS" <Idontwork@fcc.gov> wrote:
>
> Am I missing something here? I thought he was calling these people
> fraudulent scamers, which they sort of are.
>
> The funny thing about that video is that they imply this is something
> new. I was selling Nola energy savers to bowling alleys 20 years ago
> for Nordic. We had a contract with AMF who, at that time, owned most
> of their own alleys across the country. The application was completely
> valid in that particular case, because the motors needed to run
> continuously yet were loaded very sporadically (even more so if I were
> bowling). We calculated the on-load time as no more than 15% of the
> run time, so the Nola circuit (which all such devices are based on)
> worked great.
>
> The problem came up later when we attempted to apply the same
> principal to other motor loads. if the motor is more than 50% loaded
> more than 50% of the time, the device has next to no tangible benefit.
> That's why I consider these people to be scammers. They KNOW this, yet
> continue to do what that guy in the video was doing: use an ammeter to
> show how it saved "energy" because the amps were lower. They ALWAYS
> fail to explain to their suckers, er "customers" that the meter
> records kWH, not amps, and the device does little or nothing for the
> kWh if the motor is loaded. Ait contitioning motors are loaded
> whenever they are running, so the part of that video where they said
> he was selling them to hotels for AC units is essentially evidence of
> a crime.

If you are talking about the training video - it does show the effect on
the watt hour meter, in addition to the ammeter. IIRC, the speed of the
disk changes such that one revolution takes 5 seconds longer, with the
"energy saving device" in situ. That's 5 seconds in two and one half
minutes, or thereabouts.

--
Sue

2007-10-14, 9:25 pm

"Bob Ferapples" <licku45@yqahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jat4h3t0k1rs4cgfk7qaai7j3745dceqbe@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:42:43 -0700, "CS" <Idontwork@fcc.gov> wrote:
>
> Am I missing something here? I thought he was calling these people
> fraudulent scamers, which they sort of are.

That was Politically Incorrect being sarcastic. He insists these magic
boxes can lower energy bills, make your TV run cooler, make your coffee
taste better, and otherwise change the laws of physics. All you have to do
is give him $300, slap the magic box on your house, and your whole life
changes for the better.

But Wait, There's More!

He'll also encourage folks with no understanding of electricity to go
rooting around in their service box to connect this thing, saving all kinds
of money on electricians. After all, what can they offer, other than, um,
not getting themselves killed or burning down the house. Hey, just follow
the instructions he provides!

Anyway, he chose to start posting his drivel in this newsgroup, and was
soundly beaten. He may be just a bit bitter.

No doubt he'll be posting more videos and other "proof" that his magic box
is something more than snake oil, as well as fleeting insults at those who
choose to live in the real world.

CS

> The funny thing about that video is that they imply this is something
> new. I was selling Nola energy savers to bowling alleys 20 years ago
> for Nordic. We had a contract with AMF who, at that time, owned most
> of their own alleys across the country. The application was completely
> valid in that particular case, because the motors needed to run
> continuously yet were loaded very sporadically (even more so if I were
> bowling). We calculated the on-load time as no more than 15% of the
> run time, so the Nola circuit (which all such devices are based on)
> worked great.
>
> The problem came up later when we attempted to apply the same
> principal to other motor loads. if the motor is more than 50% loaded
> more than 50% of the time, the device has next to no tangible benefit.
> That's why I consider these people to be scammers. They KNOW this, yet
> continue to do what that guy in the video was doing: use an ammeter to
> show how it saved "energy" because the amps were lower. They ALWAYS
> fail to explain to their suckers, er "customers" that the meter
> records kWH, not amps, and the device does little or nothing for the
> kWh if the motor is loaded. Ait contitioning motors are loaded
> whenever they are running, so the part of that video where they said
> he was selling them to hotels for AC units is essentially evidence of
> a crime.

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