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Holy Moly -- Residual Electricity????
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| Prisoner at War 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
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Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
no effect!
Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
enough, however: it works!
So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
minutes????????????
TIA!
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| jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| In sci.physics Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
> There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
> WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
> screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
> obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
> whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
> no effect!
> Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
> whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
> minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
> enough, however: it works!
> So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
> with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
> seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
> minutes????????????
> TIA!
Capacitors.
--
Jim Pennino
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| Gordon 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
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>
> Capacitors.
>
capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
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| Unknown 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| When you turn it off and leave it off for a few minutes, it allows the
capacitors in the power supply to discharge.
With the power supply caps discharged, you in effect are guaranteeing a good
power on reset when you power on.
"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
>
> There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
> WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
> screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
> obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
> whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
> no effect!
>
> Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
> whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
> minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
> enough, however: it works!
>
> So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
> with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
> seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
> minutes????????????
>
> TIA!
>
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| Jupiter Jones 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| They discharge, but it can take some time depending on the capacitors.
A few minutes is not at all unusual.
--
Jupiter Jones
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org
"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off -
> their main job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
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| Gerard Schildberger 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| | Jupiter Jones wrote:
| They discharge, but it can take some time depending on the capacitors.
| A few minutes is not at all unusual.
Yes, indeedy. I have a Heathkit AR-1500 (amp receiver) that, when
powered off playing music, it can take about 15 ---> 20 seconds
before it stops playing, and this is with decent bass. I usually
get up the stairs and into the living room before the sound
cuts out. The capacitors are one of the biggest put into home
entertainment electrons. Also, the transformers are huge.
______________________________________________________Gerard S.
|> Gordon wrote:
|> capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off -
|> their main job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
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| Gordon wrote:
> <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
> job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
>
>
True, but they don't discharge instantaneously. Ever hear about the
"time constant" of an R-C circuit?
T = R × C
where:
T = time constant in seconds
R = resistance in ohms
C = capacitance in farads
The time constant is the time taken for the charging (or discharging)
current (I) to fall to 1/e of its initial value (Io).
After each time constant the current falls by 1/e (about 1/3). After 5
time constants (5RC) the current has fallen to less than 1% of its
initial value and we can reasonably say that the capacitor is fully
(dis)charged, but in fact the capacitor takes for ever to (dis)charge
fully!
--
Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
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| Tom Lake 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
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"Jupiter Jones" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> They discharge, but it can take some time depending on the capacitors.
> A few minutes is not at all unusual.
You can get some nasty burns from a TV that's unplugged due to those
things!
Tom Lake
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| Androcles 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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: <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: >
: > Capacitors.
: >
:
:
: capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
: job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
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| Gordon 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...
> : <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
> : news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> : >
> : > Capacitors.
> : >
> :
> :
> : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
> main
> : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
>
> That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
>
>
Well rooty toot to you.
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| Androcles 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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: "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
: news:neMXi.225829$lV4.46015@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
: >
: > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
: > news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...
: > : <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: > : news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: > : >
: > : > Capacitors.
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
: > main
: > : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: >
: > That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
: >
: >
:
:
: Well rooty toot to you.
That shows just how childish you are.
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| Gordon 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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>
> "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fgo384$rvp$1@news.mixmin.net...
> : "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
> : news:neMXi.225829$lV4.46015@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> : >
> : > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> : > news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...
> : > : <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> : > : >
> : > : > Capacitors.
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :
> : > : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off -
> their
> : > main
> : > : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
> : >
> : > That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> : Well rooty toot to you.
>
> That shows just how childish you are.
>
>
Sod you you arrogant ignorant moron.
Capacitors ARE used to smooth current so just crawl back under your slimy
rock...
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| Androcles 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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: "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
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: >
: > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
: > news:fgo384$rvp$1@news.mixmin.net...
: > : "Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote in message
: > : news:neMXi.225829$lV4.46015@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
: > : >
: > : > "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
: > : > news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...
: > : > : <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: > : > : news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Capacitors.
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :
: > : > : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off -
: > their
: > : > main
: > : > : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: > : >
: > : > That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: > : Well rooty toot to you.
: >
: > That shows just how childish you are.
: >
: >
:
: Sod you you arrogant ignorant moron.
: Capacitors ARE used to smooth current so just crawl back under your slimy
: rock...
That shows just how stupid you really are, you don't even know
the difference between voltage and current.
HAHAHA!
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| Gerald Newton 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| On Nov 5, 12:27 pm, Lem <lem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>
ain[color=darkred]
>
> True, but they don't discharge instantaneously. Ever hear about the
> "time constant" of an R-C circuit?
>
> T =3D R =D7 C
> where:
> T =3D time constant in seconds
> R =3D resistance in ohms
> C =3D capacitance in farads
>
> The time constant is the time taken for the charging (or discharging)
> current (I) to fall to 1/e of its initial value (Io).
>
> After each time constant the current falls by 1/e (about 1/3). After 5
> time constants (5RC) the current has fallen to less than 1% of its
> initial value and we can reasonably say that the capacitor is fully
> (dis)charged, but in fact the capacitor takes for ever to (dis)charge
> fully!
>
> --
> Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.http://en.wikipedia.=
org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computerhttp://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
Yes,To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.
So why can't some one harness nuclear fusion for our energy needs?
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| HeyBub 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| Prisoner at War wrote:
> Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
>
> There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
> WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
> screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
> obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
> whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
> no effect!
>
> Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
> whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
> minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
> enough, however: it works!
>
> So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
> with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
> seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
> minutes????????????
>
You're going to get a lot of theory here, but the real answer is: The power
supply's broke.
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| Androcles 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
|
"Gerald Newton" <electrician@electrician2.com> wrote in message
news:1194303377.709916.179600@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 12:27 pm, Lem <lem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>
>
> True, but they don't discharge instantaneously. Ever hear about the
> "time constant" of an R-C circuit?
>
> T = R × C
> where:
> T = time constant in seconds
> R = resistance in ohms
> C = capacitance in farads
>
> The time constant is the time taken for the charging (or discharging)
> current (I) to fall to 1/e of its initial value (Io).
>
> After each time constant the current falls by 1/e (about 1/3). After 5
> time constants (5RC) the current has fallen to less than 1% of its
> initial value and we can reasonably say that the capacitor is fully
> (dis)charged, but in fact the capacitor takes for ever to (dis)charge
> fully!
>
> --
> Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of
> ROM.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo...j/compessay.htm
Yes,To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.
So why can't some one harness nuclear fusion for our energy needs?
1) Don't need to, your energy needs are really your energy wants.
Mankind can survive without the inefficient use of energy and has
done for millions of years, as do all other species on this planet.
There is a huge difference between need and want.
2) The equations are wrong, the fools are fiddling with Einstein's
relativity and it doesn't work.
So why can't *you* harness nuclear fusion for *my* energy wants?
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| Unknown 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| No it's not!
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Prisoner at War wrote:
>
> You're going to get a lot of theory here, but the real answer is: The
> power supply's broke.
>
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| Tony Harding 2007-11-05, 5:25 pm |
| Gordon wrote:
> <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
> news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>
>
> capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
> job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
But it's not instantaneous, which can be seen easily by turning off your
computer, unplugging it from the wall/USP and pressing the computer's ON
switch. What you're doing is bleeding off the charge left behind by the
Instant On feature (keeps the mobo hot). This bleeds off pretty quickly
on its own.
IIRC I've seen big warning stickers on TVs/monitors warning of 1,000 of
volts if you go poking inside.
http://icrontic.com/forum/showthread.php?p=241556
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| Leythos 2007-11-05, 8:25 pm |
| In article <1194294217.473003.148980@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com says...
>
> Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
>
> There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
> WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
> screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
> obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
> whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
> no effect!
>
> Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
> whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
> minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
> enough, however: it works!
>
> So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
> with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
> seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
> minutes????????????
The issue is with a cheap motherboard that doesn't properly recover from
Power Management settings.
Yes, capacitors have to be drained down over a couple minutes in some
cases, but they are not the symptom of the real problem - the real
problem is a crappy APM or motherboard.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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| Unknown 2007-11-05, 8:25 pm |
| Another spoof!
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.219972defd2b78cf9897d7@adfree.mcse.ms...
> In article <1194294217.473003.148980@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>,
> prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com says...
>
> The issue is with a cheap motherboard that doesn't properly recover from
> Power Management settings.
>
> Yes, capacitors have to be drained down over a couple minutes in some
> cases, but they are not the symptom of the real problem - the real
> problem is a crappy APM or motherboard.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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| Gordon wrote:
> <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
> news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
>
>
> capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
> job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
>
>
What utter crap.
John.
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| Androcles 2007-11-05, 8:25 pm |
|
"John" <zen@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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: Gordon wrote:
: > <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: > news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: >> Capacitors.
: >>
: >
: >
: > capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
main
: > job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: >
: >
:
: What utter crap.
:
: John.
Not only is it utter crap, the arrogant little prick gets bent out of
shape when you call him on it.
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| **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** 2007-11-05, 8:25 pm |
| It was just before the end of the tech support guys shift and he wanted
enough time to escape from your call back if it didn't work!
Prisoner at War wrote:
>(snip)
>
>Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
>whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
>minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
>enough, however: it works!
>
>So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
>with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
>seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
>minutes????????????
>
>TIA!
>
>
>
It was just before the end of the tech support guys shift and he wanted
enough time to escape from your call back if it didn't work!
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
"Follow The Money" ;-P
| |
|
| From: electrician@electrician2.com (Gerald=A0Newton)
On Nov 5, 12:27 pm, Lem <lem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gordon wrote:
=A0=A0<j...@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
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Capacitors.
capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
main job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
True, but they don't discharge instantaneously. Ever hear about the
"time constant" of an R-C circuit?
T =3D R =D7 C
where:
T =3D time constant in seconds
R =3D resistance in ohms
C =3D capacitance in farads
The time constant is the time taken for the charging (or discharging)
current (I) to fall to 1/e of its initial value (Io).
After each time constant the current falls by 1/e (about 1/3). After 5
time constants (5RC) the current has fallen to less than 1% of its
initial value and we can reasonably say that the capacitor is fully
(dis)charged, but in fact the capacitor takes for ever to (dis)charge
fully!
--
Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of
ROM.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo...p://history.na=
sa.gov/afj/compessay.htm
Yes,To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM. So why can't
some one harness nuclear fusion for our energy needs?
I don't know Gerald I think they are fixated on Fission to do the job
};)These guys are really helpful - I think the OP qualifies for field
work now. teeheehee
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
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| Leythos 2007-11-06, 9:25 am |
| In article <IUNXi.292$TR5.139@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, unknown@unknown.kom
says...
> Another spoof!
Not at all, if the system won't come out of suspend properly, since it's
not a Windows issue, it's almost always the result of bad quality of the
motherboard / BIOS. Seen it hundreds of times, and that's one reason to
not buy cheap crap.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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| nottoooily@hotmail.com 2007-11-06, 9:25 am |
| On Nov 6, 10:50 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "Gordon" <gbpli...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...: <j...@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
>
> :news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> : >
> : > Capacitors.
> : >
> :
> :
> : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their main
> : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
>
> That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
He's right. In a computer that's what they're for. Sure they can still
store charge without any current flowing, but that's not their
intended purpose. Many of them will automatically discharge straight
away into the heavy loads they're connected to. But in the power
supply are capacitors which do retain their charge after switching
off.
Not sure what this has to do with stopping the computer from working,
clearly there's an actual problem that should be fixed to prevent it
happening again.
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| Unknown 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
| No he's not. Capacitors do NOT smooth current. They reduce or eliminate
voltage fluctuations.
<nottoooily@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 6, 10:50 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
>
> He's right. In a computer that's what they're for. Sure they can still
> store charge without any current flowing, but that's not their
> intended purpose. Many of them will automatically discharge straight
> away into the heavy loads they're connected to. But in the power
> supply are capacitors which do retain their charge after switching
> off.
>
> Not sure what this has to do with stopping the computer from working,
> clearly there's an actual problem that should be fixed to prevent it
> happening again.
>
>
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| Unknown 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
| Where have you seen it hundreds of times? Give facts not emotions.
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.219a13bdbf80533f9897e2@adfree.mcse.ms...
> In article <IUNXi.292$TR5.139@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>, unknown@unknown.kom
> says...
>
> Not at all, if the system won't come out of suspend properly, since it's
> not a Windows issue, it's almost always the result of bad quality of the
> motherboard / BIOS. Seen it hundreds of times, and that's one reason to
> not buy cheap crap.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| Androcles 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
| Even more amusing is dynamic RAM that uses the charge on
a capacitor to store bits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynami...m_access_memory
"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
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: No he's not. Capacitors do NOT smooth current. They reduce or eliminate
: voltage fluctuations.
: <nottoooily@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:1194348071.624234.256100@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: > On Nov 6, 10:50 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: >> "Gordon" <gbpli...@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
: >>
: >> news:fgnuv5$o29$1@news.mixmin.net...: <j...@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote
: >> in message
: >>
: >> :news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: >> : >
: >> : > Capacitors.
: >> : >
: >> :
: >> :
: >> : capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
: >> main
: >> : job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: >>
: >> That shows how much you know -- which is zilch.
: >
: > He's right. In a computer that's what they're for. Sure they can still
: > store charge without any current flowing, but that's not their
: > intended purpose. Many of them will automatically discharge straight
: > away into the heavy loads they're connected to. But in the power
: > supply are capacitors which do retain their charge after switching
: > off.
: >
: > Not sure what this has to do with stopping the computer from working,
: > clearly there's an actual problem that should be fixed to prevent it
: > happening again.
: >
: >
:
:
| |
| Tim Slattery 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
| "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote:
>No he's not. Capacitors do NOT smooth current. They reduce or eliminate
>voltage fluctuations.
A power supply in any electronic gizmo changes 110V (usually) AC to
one or more voltages of DC, generally something like 5V - 20V, I
think.
Anyway, the voltage changing is done by a transformer. The
lower-voltage AC from the secondary coil of the transformer is then
fed to one (or sometimes more) rectifiers. That's a circuit component
that allows current to flow in only one direction. Now you have DC,
but very lumpy DC: it oscillates between no current at all and the
required voltage. Not much equipment can use the juice in that state.
So it needs to be "smoothed" (that is the term that's used). That is
accomplished by putting a capacitor - usually a pretty large
electrolytic capacitor - across the line. The capacitor stores charge
when the voltage goes up and releases it as the voltage drops, thereby
smoothing out the peaks and valleys.
--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
| |
| Androcles 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
|
"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:9091j3thbldt9skjitm30jgd4i7njdsvnc@4ax.com...
: "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote:
:
: >No he's not. Capacitors do NOT smooth current. They reduce or eliminate
: >voltage fluctuations.
:
: A power supply in any electronic gizmo changes 110V (usually) AC to
: one or more voltages of DC, generally something like 5V - 20V, I
: think.
:
: Anyway, the voltage changing is done by a [snip transformer]
switching regulator.
http://www.national.com/appinfo/power/files/f5.pdf
| |
|
|
Androcles wrote:
> "Gerald Newton" <electrician@electrician2.com> wrote in message
> news:1194303377.709916.179600@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 5, 12:27 pm, Lem <lem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes,To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.
> So why can't some one harness nuclear fusion for our energy needs?
>
> 1) Don't need to, your energy needs are really your energy wants.
> Mankind can survive without the inefficient use of energy and has
> done for millions of years, as do all other species on this planet.
> There is a huge difference between need and want.
>
> 2) The equations are wrong, the fools are fiddling with Einstein's
> relativity and it doesn't work.
>
> So why can't *you* harness nuclear fusion for *my* energy wants?
>
Humm, pretty much ALL of our current energy use comes originally from
"nuclear fusion".
| |
| Androcles 2007-11-06, 1:25 pm |
|
"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uPFdf9JIIHA.5544@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
:
:
: Androcles wrote:
:
: > "Gerald Newton" <electrician@electrician2.com> wrote in message
: > news:1194303377.709916.179600@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
: > On Nov 5, 12:27 pm, Lem <lem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >>Gordon wrote:
: >>
: >>><j...@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: >>>news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: >>>
: >>>>Capacitors.
: >>
: >>>capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
: >>>main
: >>>job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: >>
: >>True, but they don't discharge instantaneously. Ever hear about the
: >>"time constant" of an R-C circuit?
: >>
: >>T = R × C
: >>where:
: >>T = time constant in seconds
: >>R = resistance in ohms
: >>C = capacitance in farads
: >>
: >>The time constant is the time taken for the charging (or discharging)
: >>current (I) to fall to 1/e of its initial value (Io).
: >>
: >>After each time constant the current falls by 1/e (about 1/3). After 5
: >>time constants (5RC) the current has fallen to less than 1% of its
: >>initial value and we can reasonably say that the capacitor is fully
: >>(dis)charged, but in fact the capacitor takes for ever to (dis)charge
: >>fully!
: >>
: >>--
: >>Lem -- MS-MVP - Networking
: >>
: >>To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of
:[color=darkred]
: >
: >
: > Yes,To the moon and back with 4KB of RAM and 72KB of ROM.
: > So why can't some one harness nuclear fusion for our energy needs?
: >
: > 1) Don't need to, your energy needs are really your energy wants.
: > Mankind can survive without the inefficient use of energy and has
: > done for millions of years, as do all other species on this planet.
: > There is a huge difference between need and want.
: >
: > 2) The equations are wrong, the fools are fiddling with Einstein's
: > relativity and it doesn't work.
: >
: > So why can't *you* harness nuclear fusion for *my* energy wants?
: >
:
: Humm, pretty much ALL of our current energy use comes originally from
: "nuclear fusion".
Yep :-)
| |
|
| There is a easier way. Power down, unplug the power cord, then press
and hold down the ON button for a count of 8, then reconnect the power
cord, and power up again.
Pressing the On button assures that the capacitors are fully discharged.
Unknown, did transcribed the following::
> When you turn it off and leave it off for a few minutes, it allows the
> capacitors in the power supply to discharge.
> With the power supply caps discharged, you in effect are guaranteeing a good
> power on reset when you power on.
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1194294217.473003.148980@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
| |
| HeyBub 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| Unknown wrote:
> No it's not!
Is too!
| |
| Unknown 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| Power supply is fine!
"HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uB1Pa$KIIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Unknown wrote:
>
>
> Is too!
>
| |
| Leythos 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| In article <Du0Yi.18975$lD6.8711@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
unknown@unknown.kom says...
> Where have you seen it hundreds of times? Give facts not emotions.
I've been working with/on computers for almost 30 years, PM has been a
problem for at least 10 of those years.
I'm stating facts, I don't state emotions.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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| |
| Unknown 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| Spoof!
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.219aa2459375a6dc9897e8@adfree.mcse.ms...
> In article <Du0Yi.18975$lD6.8711@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> unknown@unknown.kom says...
>
> I've been working with/on computers for almost 30 years, PM has been a
> problem for at least 10 of those years.
>
> I'm stating facts, I don't state emotions.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| srp@microtec.net 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| On 5 nov, 15:23, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there some such concept as "residual electricity"???
>
> There was a problem with a computer at work...it's a new Dell running
> WinXP Pro...everything's fine, I go to lunch and come back to a blank
> screen that won't wake up from power-save/sleep mode!! I do the
> obvious and check connections, making sure they're secure and
> whatnot. I turn off the computer and turn it back on a few times, to
> no effect!
>
> Tech Support suspects some kind of a "power management" issue --
> whatever that is -- and suggests that I leave the system off for a few
> minutes, literally, to let things "clear"...whatever that means. Sure
> enough, however: it works!
>
> So now I'm here asking, because Tech hasn't the time to puzzle over it
> with me, WHAT HAPPENED??? And how come shutting off power for a few
> seconds isn't comparable to leaving power off for a few
> minutes????????????
>
> TIA!
I suppose you have some model of Dell flat screen with this computer ?
If so, it may not be the computer at fault but the monitor.
I ran into similar problem and also thought that the computer was
bugged. Actually, the computer booted fine, but the monitor
was at fault.
If you haven't resolved it yet, here is how it was resolved for me.
There was need to completely disconnect the flat screen
power cord from the wall socket (easier there than at the
flat screen end) and wait a while.
The flat screen micro then rebooted correctly upon reconnection
and repowering.
My interpretation was that there is some builtin flash memory
chip into the monitor circuit that keeps some settings that
had become corrupt. The control pin of that chip no
doubt remains powered even if you turn the monitor off
without completely disconnecting the power cord.
Andr=E9 MIchaud
| |
| Leythos 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| In article <mW4Yi.63538$Um6.51958@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
unknown@unknown.kom says...
> Spoof!
Is there a reason that you've taken to spouting crap instead of being
able to disprove real world experience?
PM has long been problematic on cheap/badly designed motherboards -
prove me wrong instead of being a child/troll.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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| |
| Unknown 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| You're the one that made the ridiculous statement. Then you say that's your
experience.
My experience is opposite.
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.219aad327c5596f99897e9@adfree.mcse.ms...
> In article <mW4Yi.63538$Um6.51958@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
> unknown@unknown.kom says...
>
> Is there a reason that you've taken to spouting crap instead of being
> able to disprove real world experience?
>
> PM has long been problematic on cheap/badly designed motherboards -
> prove me wrong instead of being a child/troll.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| Leythos 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| In article <bw5Yi.63541$Um6.55709@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
unknown@unknown.kom says...
> You're the one that made the ridiculous statement. Then you say that's your
> experience.
> My experience is opposite.
And your experience doesn't invalidate what I've said.
My experience does invalidate your experience as being the definitive
answer. While you may not have the experience for what ever reason, I do
and I've seen it happen on cheap/crappy motherboards and even good ones
that had bad firmware, hundreds of times.
You might learn something from those of us that have been around for a
while if you could take your head out of your a$$.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| Unknown 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| More emotional nonsense. What was the name of the manufacturer of the
boards? What computer manufacturer?
You seen hundreds! What problem did they cause? What was the design
deficiency? What was the technology that failed?
Hundreds of times????? Give us the data.
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.219ab81ed154a0099897ea@adfree.mcse.ms...
> In article <bw5Yi.63541$Um6.55709@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
> unknown@unknown.kom says...
>
> And your experience doesn't invalidate what I've said.
>
> My experience does invalidate your experience as being the definitive
> answer. While you may not have the experience for what ever reason, I do
> and I've seen it happen on cheap/crappy motherboards and even good ones
> that had bad firmware, hundreds of times.
>
> You might learn something from those of us that have been around for a
> while if you could take your head out of your a$$.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| Stuart 2007-11-06, 5:25 pm |
| In article <CK1Yi.233762$lV4.106173@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Androcles <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> : Anyway, the voltage changing is done by a [snip transformer]
> switching regulator.
> http://www.national.com/appinfo/power/files/f5.pdf
In computers - yes, the PSU is always switch mode but that is not the case
with all equipment.
Particularly in sensitive equipment, where switchers would generate too
much crap and interfere with equipment operation linears are still used.
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
| Androcles 2007-11-06, 8:25 pm |
|
"Stuart" <SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:4f3daf39e2SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com...
: In article <CK1Yi.233762$lV4.106173@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
: Androcles <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > : Anyway, the voltage changing is done by a [snip transformer]
: > switching regulator.
: > http://www.national.com/appinfo/power/files/f5.pdf
:
: In computers - yes, the PSU is always switch mode but that is not the case
: with all equipment.
It's a computer we are talking about. We've had transformers
and bridge diodes since the dark ages but some people have
never evolved from their train set with its transformer, selenium
rectifier and rheostat.
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodi...034.10/s12s.JPG
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/516311...ecification.jpg
I was designing pulse width modulation controllers over 35 years ago,
the triac is older than that.
| |
| Leythos 2007-11-06, 8:25 pm |
| In article <nf6Yi.3025$yV6.1328@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
unknown@unknown.kom says...
> More emotional nonsense.
I don't see any reason to be trolled by you.
--
Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
| |
| nottoooily@hotmail.com 2007-11-06, 8:25 pm |
| On Nov 7, 5:14 am, "Unknown" <unkn...@unknown.kom> wrote:
> No he's not. Capacitors do NOT smooth current. They reduce or eliminate
> voltage fluctuations.<nottooo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Oh yes they do don't they :P In fact it's pretty much the opposite of
smoothing current.
Well that's true of bypass capacitors that're used near chips. But I
think it's fair to say the input capacitors in a power supply do
smooth current by removing mains voltage fluctuations, and thereby
preventing current fluctuations in the downstream load. And in fact
those are the ones that can hold their charge after switching off.
| |
|
| In article <1194396267.441582.89170@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
nottoooily@hotmail.com says...
> On Nov 7, 5:14 am, "Unknown" <unkn...@unknown.kom> wrote:
>
> Oh yes they do don't they :P In fact it's pretty much the opposite of
> smoothing current.
>
> Well that's true of bypass capacitors that're used near chips. But I
> think it's fair to say the input capacitors in a power supply do
> smooth current by removing mains voltage fluctuations, and thereby
> preventing current fluctuations in the downstream load. And in fact
> those are the ones that can hold their charge after switching off.
They don't "smooth" current at all. They "smooth" voltage by
storing/supplying current. They don't prevent current fluctuations
at all, indeed cause them in the attempt to maintain voltage.
Voltage across a capacitor can't change instantaneously, but the
current through one certainly can.
--
Keith
| |
| Stuart 2007-11-07, 9:25 am |
| In article <X07Yi.58352$7_4.25898@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
Androcles <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> It's a computer we are talking about.
May I just re-quote to you the text to which I replied?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
: A power supply in any electronic gizmo changes 110V (usually) AC to
: one or more voltages of DC, generally something like 5V - 20V, I
: think.
:
: Anyway, the voltage changing is done by a [snip transformer]
switching regulator.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Please note the word "any" in the statement:
"any electronic gizmo"
as used by Tim Slattery
Yes I've ben around long enough to know about Selenium rectifiers, Valve
rectifiers and mercury Arc rectifiers too!
Did you know Steel Tank mercury arc rectifiers used triggering to control
the output voltage just like an SCR or Triac?
;-)
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
| Androcles 2007-11-07, 9:25 am |
|
"Stuart" <SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:4f3ded0c65SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com...
: In article <X07Yi.58352$7_4.25898@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
: Androcles <Engineer@hogwarts.physics> wrote:
: > It's a computer we are talking about.
:
: May I just re-quote to you the text to which I replied?
No you may not, the record is plain enough.
If you quote part then quote all.
It's a computer we are talking about. We've had transformers
and bridge diodes since the dark ages but some people have
never evolved from their train set with its transformer, selenium
rectifier and rheostat.
http://www.theodoregray.com/Periodi...034.10/s12s.JPG
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/516311...ecification.jpg
I was designing pulse width modulation controllers over 35 years ago,
the triac is older than that.
| |
| Unknown 2007-11-07, 1:25 pm |
| The current on the output of a supply can vary by a considerable amount by
turning
devices attached to it on or off. Capacitors do not smooth current.
toooily@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194396267.441582.89170@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 7, 5:14 am, "Unknown" <unkn...@unknown.kom> wrote:
>
> Oh yes they do don't they :P In fact it's pretty much the opposite of
> smoothing current.
>
> Well that's true of bypass capacitors that're used near chips. But I
> think it's fair to say the input capacitors in a power supply do
> smooth current by removing mains voltage fluctuations, and thereby
> preventing current fluctuations in the downstream load. And in fact
> those are the ones that can hold their charge after switching off.
>
>
| |
|
| All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
hogwash to me., I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current
in a circuit - that is why they are used on air conditioning & ther
motors., other wise the motor won't turn over to running speeds when the
switch is powered on....I once read a 400+Volts off a capacitor I pulled
from a cheap radio power supply that I was troubleshooting, it was
connected to household current, so they do more than just store Voltage
as well, it's more of an accumulative process going on in there.
[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
the selected system options back up.
On Atomic Energy: I still believe it is Fission that is used in Nuclear
Power Plants., Not Fussion.I'll keep my monkey powered generator.,
bananas are cheap & monkeys are fun to watch 
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
| |
| Stuart 2007-11-08, 5:25 pm |
| In article <1501-47328820-119@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>,
Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote:
> All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
> hogwash to me.
Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
> I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current
> in a circuit
> that is why they are used on air conditioning & ther
> motors.,
Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
| Adrian C 2007-11-08, 5:25 pm |
| Stuart wrote:
> In article <1501-47328820-119@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>,
> Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
>
>
>
> Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
> capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
> winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
>
Correct.
Hasn't this got to be the most ill-informed thread in this parts for
some time?
Where have the supporters of Ohm's law gone???
--
Adrian C
| |
|
| From Stuart) In an article
Roy wrote:
All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
hogwash to me. \
----
Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
----
I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current in a circuit
that is why they are used on air conditioning & other motors.,
---
Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
Stuart Winsor
-------
You have to say you're Sorry - what a sorry excuse for an answer - cause
you just want to look good at the expense of trying to make others look
bad
The only reason the cap seems to smooth out current is because it letts
off a equal charge (Far from Smoothing Anything or Shifting Phases) when
the circuit oscillates keeping the coils energized during the
alternating currents negative cycle and thus turns the motor over
instead of humming without direction when an AC current is applied.
- So don't sugar coat it with Smooth Phraseology ... & Let's not discuss
Windings nor Electromagnetism.
I bet you think Atomic Fusion is used to produce Electricity too.
The term [smooths current or voltage] is bogus., What do you think this
is a Dry Cleaners for Electricity.......
What happened to Filters ????., sheesh
Stuart did you ever get one of your older friends to call your school to
get you excused from a test??? I'd sware that was you
Be Real - Nothing is Smoothed Out by a Capacitor.....
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
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| Stuart 2007-11-09, 9:25 am |
| In article <23460-4733C7F9-34@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote:
> You have to say you're Sorry - what a sorry excuse for an answer - cause
> you just want to look good at the expense of trying to make others look
> bad
> The only reason the cap seems to smooth out current is because it letts
> off a equal charge (Far from Smoothing Anything or Shifting Phases) when
> the circuit oscillates keeping the coils energized during the
> alternating currents negative cycle and thus turns the motor over
> instead of humming without direction when an AC current is applied.
> - So don't sugar coat it with Smooth Phraseology ... & Let's not discuss
> Windings nor Electromagnetism.
I think, my friend, you're a bit weak on Physics and electrical theory or
not good at expressing yourself in a way I can understand. >-|
If you want to talk about filters then OK, in a standard
rectifier/capacitor AC to DC circuit the capacitor acts as a filter to the
incoming AC component of the rectified waveform and removes it. The DC it
blocks. The remaining ripple voltage depends on the size of the capacitor
and the DC current drawn off by the load, though the source impedence also
has an effect.
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
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| Stuart 2007-11-09, 9:25 am |
| In article <4f3ef38f38SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com>,
Stuart <SW_NOSPAM@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> If you want to talk about filters then OK, in a standard
> rectifier/capacitor AC to DC circuit the capacitor acts as a filter to
> the incoming AC component of the rectified waveform and removes it. The
> DC it blocks. The remaining ripple voltage depends on the size of the
> capacitor and the DC current drawn off by the load, though the source
> impedence also has an effect.
I should have added that this has absolutely no relevance to use use of
capacitors for motor start/run applications
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
|
| From: (Stuart)
In article You wrote:
If you want to talk about filters then OK, in a standard
rectifier/capacitor AC to DC circuit the capacitor acts as a filter to
the incoming AC component of the rectified waveform and removes it. The
DC it blocks. The remaining ripple voltage depends on the size of the
capacitor and the DC current drawn off by the load, though the source
impedance also has an effect.
I should have added that this has absolutely no relevance to use use of
capacitors for motor start/run applications
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
You're the one getting into that.....It has nothing to do with the OP's
computer problem either.......now does it ?
Got any good banjo players there ?
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
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| Stuart 2007-11-09, 5:25 pm |
| In article <27101-4734A507-39@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net>,
Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote:
> --
> Stuart Winsor
> From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
> For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
> See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
> You're the one getting into that.....It has nothing to do with the OP's
> computer problem either.......now does it ?
Thread drift - very common on usenet as I'm sure you know ;-)
I think you need to get a better email/news client that strips off
signatures before you post underneath them. It took me a moment to spot
your reply. You also need one that marks quoted text properly.
However, going further off topic:
> Got any good banjo players there ?
no, we do not have any Banjo players. I believe (I could be wrong) that
the Banjo originated in the southern states of america so is not common in
the UK. I think such good players as there are, tend to drift towards Jazz
rather than "folk". With our roots in English country dance and Morris
traditions my 12 string and our electric bass are probably slightly out of
place too but, never mind, they provide a good rhythmic base for the
other, somewhat more traditional instruments - Melodeon, hammered
dulcimer, fiddle and whistles.
If you've looked at our website, which is hopelessly out of date, you'll
not find mention of our fiddle player who is extremely good but currently
at university and not always available.
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
|
| Suart; too bad - you just can't have a good barn stomp without a a few
banjos & a fiddle...
| |
| Stuart 2007-11-09, 5:25 pm |
| In article <1501-4734CF88-562@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net>,
Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote:
> Suart; too bad - you just can't have a good barn stomp without a a few
> banjos & a fiddle...
Oh you'd be surprised :-)
--
Stuart Winsor
From is valid but subject to change without notice if it gets spammed.
For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
| |
|
| In article <23460-4733C7F9-34@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>,
ROYKEY@webtv.net says...
> FromStuart) In an article
> Roy wrote:
> All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
> hogwash to me. \
> ----
> Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
> ----
> I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current in a circuit
> that is why they are used on air conditioning & other motors.,
> ---
> Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
> capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
> winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
> Stuart Winsor
>
> -------
> You have to say you're Sorry - what a sorry excuse for an answer - cause
> you just want to look good at the expense of trying to make others look
> bad
No need. You do well enough by yourself.
> The only reason the cap seems to smooth out current is because it letts
> off a equal charge (Far from Smoothing Anything or Shifting Phases) when
> the circuit oscillates keeping the coils energized during the
> alternating currents negative cycle and thus turns the motor over
> instead of humming without direction when an AC current is applied.
>
> - So don't sugar coat it with Smooth Phraseology ... & Let's not discuss
> Windings nor Electromagnetism.
You want to discuss motors without discussing "Windings" nor
"Electromagnetism"?!!
> I bet you think Atomic Fusion is used to produce Electricity too.
>
> The term [smooths current or voltage] is bogus., What do you think this
> is a Dry Cleaners for Electricity.......
The voltage across a capacitor can't change instantaneously, so it
does tend to "smooth" the voltage. It's a lay explanation for one of
the functions of a capacitor. It's accurate enough, as far as it
goes.
> What happened to Filters ????., sheesh
What happened to them? Did they go somewhere?
> Stuart did you ever get one of your older friends to call your school to
> get you excused from a test??? I'd sware that was you
Oh, so that's what happened. I'd "sware" you never went to school.
> Be Real - Nothing is Smoothed Out by a Capacitor.....
Do you brag about your ignorance in real life too?
--
Keith
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| Tony Harding 2007-11-09, 9:25 pm |
| Androcles wrote:
> "John" <zen@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5p9pm1Fpn9a7U1@mid.individual.net...
> : Gordon wrote:
> : > <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
> : > news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
> : >> Capacitors.
> : >>
> : >
> : >
> : > capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off - their
> main
> : > job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
> : >
> : >
> :
> : What utter crap.
> :
> : John.
>
> Not only is it utter crap, the arrogant little prick gets bent out of
> shape when you call him on it.
Thus the "arrogant" part of his moniker.
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| Androcles 2007-11-09, 9:25 pm |
|
"Tony Harding" <ToHard@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:9T7Zi.236$0w2.8@newsfe08.lga...
: Androcles wrote:
: > "John" <zen@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
: > news:5p9pm1Fpn9a7U1@mid.individual.net...
: > : Gordon wrote:
: > : > <jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
: > : > news:p4b405-rog.ln1@mail.specsol.com...
: > : >> Capacitors.
: > : >>
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > capacitors usually discharge when the current is switched off -
their
: > main
: > : > job is to smooth current, not to store volts....
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > : What utter crap.
: > :
: > : John.
: >
: > Not only is it utter crap, the arrogant little prick gets bent out of
: > shape when you call him on it.
:
: Thus the "arrogant" part of his moniker.
Yes... I have no objection to someone being arrogant when
they know what they talking about, but all to often arrogance
and ignorance go hand in glove.
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not, he is a fool. Shun him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not, he is a student. Teach him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows, he is a tool. Use him.
He who knows and knows that he knows, he is a sage. Follow him.
#define little_prick 1/sqrt[(arrogance^2)+(ignorance^2)]
(Androcles's inverse Pythagorean law)
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| Don Kelly 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
|
----------------------------
"Roy" <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:23460-4733C7F9-34@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net...
> FromStuart) In an article
> Roy wrote:
> All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
> hogwash to me. \
> ----
> Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
> ----
> I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current in a circuit
> that is why they are used on air conditioning & other motors.,
> ---
> Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
> capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
> winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
> Stuart Winsor
>
> -------
> You have to say you're Sorry - what a sorry excuse for an answer - cause
> you just want to look good at the expense of trying to make others look
> bad
>
> The only reason the cap seems to smooth out current is because it letts
> off a equal charge (Far from Smoothing Anything or Shifting Phases) when
> the circuit oscillates keeping the coils energized during the
> alternating currents negative cycle and thus turns the motor over
> instead of humming without direction when an AC current is applied.
.. >
> - So don't sugar coat it with Smooth Phraseology ... & Let's not discuss
> Windings nor Electromagnetism.
------------------
I will Eliminate Smooth Phraseology -for an AC motor, your explanation is
nonsense. For a DC motor-it is also nonsense for a different reason.
A typical single phase AC motor has a starting winding and for better
starting a capacitor is often provided in series with this winding to
produce a greater phase shift with respect to the main winding- in order to
get a rotating field. This is not "keeping the coils energised during the
negative part of the cycle". You still get AC on both windings. Yes, it is
necessary to consider windings.
For resistive rather than motor loads- those who talked about RC time
constants are correct. So is Stuart. The term "smoothing" of the waveform of
the load voltage (and hence current) is commonly used and is correct. The
term "waveform" is generally implied and most know this is the implication.
If you are talking about a DC motor load- capacitors will be less effective
because of the back emf of the motor (oops electromagnetism).
--
Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
-----rest of nonsense snipped.----
-------
>
> Roy Q.T.
> Urban Technician
> [I don't make em, I just fix em]
>
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
| Adrian C wrote:
>
> Where have the supporters of Ohm's law gone???
Ohm. Ohm on the range, were the Volts and Amps play... ;-)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
| Stuart wrote:
>
> Yes I've ben around long enough to know about Selenium rectifiers, Valve
> rectifiers and mercury Arc rectifiers too!
How about copper rectifiers, and electrolytic rectifiers?
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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|
| Keith wrote: Do you brag about your ignorance in real life too?
--
Buzz Off Keith - you're just trying to get a rise from me....
| |
|
| I see the Grand High Exhalted Mystic Ruler, Mr. Don Kelly has resolved
this entire Post......What part of let's not discuss windings or
electromagnetism wasn't clear ?
There are motors & theories to fit any & all of our view points - if you
want to make me look like a fool - I'll never be a jester in this field.
The Facts discussed should revolve around the missing monitor signal.
Anything else - is nonsense.....
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
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| Bungalow Bill 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
| On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:37:56 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>Keith wrote: Do you brag about your ignorance in real life too?
>--
>Buzz Off Keith - you're just trying to get a rise from me....
There he goes with the retarded capitalization CRAP again, as well as
the retarded WRONG placement of the sig flag.
Will you EVER get it right, RoyBoy?
| |
| Bungalow Bill 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
| On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:04 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
>product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
>savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
>to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
>the selected system options back up.
You're a complete idiot. There are NO operating systems capable of
sleep modes that utilize autoexec batch files.
"Flooded or busy RAM"? Where do you get your utter bullshit from, boy?
| |
| Bungalow Bill 2007-11-10, 3:25 am |
| On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:37:45 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>FromStuart) In an article
>Roy wrote:
>All this talk about capacitors smoothing current sounds like a lot of
>hogwash to me. \
>----
>Sorry but as someone said they store charge and smooth out the voltage.
>----
>I know for a fact that capacitors tend to Boost Current in a circuit
>that is why they are used on air conditioning & other motors.,
>---
>Sorry again but what is happening here is the phase shift caused by the
>capacitor is being used to produce a phase shifted supply to a second
>winding to produce a rotating magnetic field to make the motor go round.
>Stuart Winsor
>
>-------
>You have to say you're Sorry - what a sorry excuse for an answer - cause
>you just want to look good at the expense of trying to make others look
>bad
>
You're an idiot.
>The only reason the cap seems to smooth out current is because it letts
>off a equal charge (Far from Smoothing Anything or Shifting Phases) when
>the circuit oscillates keeping the coils energized during the
>alternating currents negative cycle and thus turns the motor over
>instead of humming without direction when an AC current is applied.
You're a complete and utter retard.
>- So don't sugar coat it with Smooth Phraseology ... & Let's not discuss
>Windings nor Electromagnetism.
Fuck you, idiot. What do you think a motor is?
>I bet you think Atomic Fusion is used to produce Electricity too.
Why did you spell it with two "S"s last time?
>
>The term [smooths current or voltage] is bogus., What do you think this
>is a Dry Cleaners for Electricity.......
Are you really so stupid that you have never heard of a "smoothing
capacitor"? Are you so stupid that you never reviewed the topic of
smoothing?
Do you even know what the word ripple means, boy?
>
>What happened to Filters ????., sheesh
You're an idiot, and four question marks makes you look even worse.
>
>Stuart did you ever get one of your older friends to call your school to
>get you excused from a test??? I'd sware that was you
Dumbfuck. The word is SWEAR.
>Be Real - Nothing is Smoothed Out by a Capacitor.....
Certainly not any thimble full of knowledge you claim to have about
electronics.
>
>Roy Q.T.
>Urban Technician
>[I don't make em, I just fix em]
You don't fix shit. You're an utter retard.
| |
|
| In article <1352-473551C4-372@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>,
ROYKEY@webtv.net says...
> Subject: Re: Holy Moly -- Residual Electricity????
> From: Roy <ROYKEY@webtv.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.engineering.electrical
>
> Keith wrote: Do you brag about your ignorance in real life too?
> --
> Buzz Off Keith - you're just trying to get a rise from me....
>
Nope. That would assume you had two neurons that were on speaking
terms. BTW, learn how to post.
--
Keith
| |
|
| In article <1352-47355406-373@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net>,
ROYKEY@webtv.net says...
> I see the Grand High Exhalted Mystic Ruler, Mr. Don Kelly has resolved
> this entire Post......What part of let's not discuss windings or
> electromagnetism wasn't clear ?
What part of "it's tough to talk about motors without talking about
windings and electromagnetism" isn't clear?
> There are motors & theories to fit any & all of our view points -
Science doesn't give a crap about "viewpoints".
> if you want to make me look like a fool -
No need. You do a great job every time you login.
> I'll never be a jester in this field.
I thought you didn't want to talk about electromagnetism.
> The Facts discussed should revolve around the missing monitor signal.
You shouldn't be in any discussion where facts are wanted.
> Anything else - is nonsense.....
You're something else, alright.
> Roy Q.T.
> Urban Technician
> [I don't make em, I just fix em]
[Scary!]
--
Keith
| |
|
| In article <47353989.B2DCF925@earthlink.net>,
mike.terrell@earthlink.net says...
> Adrian C wrote:
>
>
> Ohm. Ohm on the range, were the Volts and Amps play... ;-)
*Never* play with volts and amps when on the ohms range!
--
Keith
| |
|
| From: BugalowBill@AbbeyRoad.UKCOM (Bungalow=A0Bill)
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:37:56 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
Keith wrote: Do you brag about your ignorance in real life too?
--
Buzz Off Keith - you're just trying to get a rise from me....
=A0=A0=A0=A0There he goes with the retarded capitalization CRAP again,
as well as the retarded WRONG placement of the sig flag.
=A0=A0=A0=A0Will you EVER get it right, RoyBoy?
---------------
Bunghole Bill Why Don't You Get A Life.
| |
|
| From: BugalowBill@AbbeyRoad.UKCOM (Bungalow=A0Bill)
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:04 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
the selected system options back up.
=A0=A0=A0=A0You're a complete idiot. There are NO operating systems
capable of sleep modes that utilize autoexec batch files.
=A0=A0"Flooded or busy RAM"? Where do you get your utter bullshit from,
boy?
-----------
Apparently straight out your bunghole Bill., like you even know half of
what's discussed here mu less the inner working of a computer - RAM can
keep programs runnning that are not visable or onscreen. Ever heard of
spyware or adware just to mention a few....
You should just mind your own goddamn business next time Freak.
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
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| ChairmanOfTheBored 2007-11-10, 5:25 pm |
| On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:20:03 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>From: BugalowBill@AbbeyRoad.UKCOM (Bungalow_Bill)
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:04 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
>product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
>savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
>to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
>the selected system options back up.
>____You're a complete idiot. There are NO operating systems
>capable of sleep modes that utilize autoexec batch files.
>__"Flooded or busy RAM"? Where do you get your utter bullshit from,
>boy?
>-----------
>Apparently straight out your bunghole Bill., like you even know half of
>what's discussed here mu less the inner working of a computer - RAM can
>keep programs runnning that are not visable or onscreen. Ever heard of
>spyware or adware just to mention a few....
>
>You should just mind your own goddamn business next time Freak.
>
Bwuahahahaha! You're a complete idiot! You missed the comma after
bunghole. You added it back in after the period after Bill! The word
MUCH is four letters long.
It isn't "RAM can keep programs running..." It is RAM ALWAYS keeps ALL
programs running. Except on a sleeping computer, idiot!
The word visable is spelled VISIBLE.
You have problems with adware or spyware? I don't You seem to also
have a problem with the difference between what is taking place one the
hardware of a computer, and what you perceive to be taking place as a
function of what you are able to "see" on your gui interface.
You got way to many problems for anyone here to help you out with,
RoyBoy.
You should seek professional assistance.
| |
|
| From: (Electroencephalogram)
ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
From: (Bungalow=A0Bill)
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:04 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
the selected system options back up.
=A0=A0=A0
=A0You're a complete idiot. There are NO operating systems capable of
sleep modes that utilize autoexec batch files.
You're so clueless you don't even know Computer Architecture & DOS.
=A0=A0"Flooded or busy RAM"? Where do you get your utter bullshit from,
boy?
-----------
Apparently straight out your bunghole Bill., like you even know half of
what's discussed here mu less the inner working of a computer - RAM can
keep programs running that are not visible or onscreen. Ever heard of
spyware or adware just to mention a few....
You should just mind your own goddamn business next time Freak.
=A0=A0=A0=A0
Bushwhacker! You're a complete idiot! You missed the comma after
bunghole. You added it back in after the period after Bill! The word
MUCH is four letters long.
=A0=A0=A0=A0It isn't "RAM can keep programs running..." It is RAM ALWAYS
keeps ALL programs running. Except on a sleeping computer, idiot!
=A0=A0=A0=A0The word visable is spelled VISIBLE.
[no shit sherlock.....]
=A0=A0=A0=A0You have problems with adware or spyware?
[NEVER]
I don't You seem to also have a problem with the difference between what
is taking place one the hardware of a computer, and what you perceive to
be taking place as a function of what you are able to "see" on your gui
interface.
[what Interface is that???]
=A0=A0=A0=A0You got way to many problems for anyone here to help you out
with, Royally.
=A0=A0You should seek professional assistance.
-------------------
Why thank you Professor Turdman
You'd like that wouldn't you., with me off to therapy you can pull the
wool of your half witted stunts & corrupt systems analysis over these
nice folks eyes.......
You need a Commode but I ain't saying anything. hahahahaha }
Roy Q.T.
Urban Technician
[I don't make em, I just fix em]
| |
| Bungalow Bill 2007-11-10, 8:25 pm |
| >On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 20:51:24 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>From: (Electroencephalogram)
>ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>From: (Bungalow_Bill)
>On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:53:04 -0500, ROYKEY@webtv.net (Roy) wrote:
>[T] Why this computer isn't recovering from stand-by mode may be a
>product of cheap hardware or troublesome software., some of those screen
>savers could be murder on a tightly formatted autoexec batch file trying
>to flow into an already flooded or busy RAM making it difficult to bring
>the selected system options back up.
>___
>_You're a complete idiot. There are NO operating systems capable of
>sleep modes that utilize autoexec batch files.
>
>You're so clueless you don't even know Computer Architecture & DOS.
There are no modern computers using DOS, you fucking retard, AND those
that do run it are NOT able to be put to sleep, you fucking retard.
>
>__"Flooded or busy RAM"? Where do you get your utter bullshit from,
>boy?
>-----------
>Apparently straight out your bunghole Bill., like you even know half of
>what's discussed here mu less the inner working of a computer - RAM can
>keep programs running that are not visible or onscreen. Ever heard of
>spyware or adware just to mention a few....
>You should just mind your own goddamn business next time Freak.
>____
>Bushwhacker!
Why are you so retarded that you make reply statements in the middle of
others' quote text?
> You're a complete idiot! You missed the comma after
>bunghole. You added it back in after the period after Bill! The word
>MUCH is four letters long.
>
>____It isn't "RAM can keep programs running..." It is RAM ALWAYS
>keeps ALL programs running. Except on a sleeping computer, idiot!
>____The word visable is spelled VISIBLE.
>
>[no shit sherlock.....]
You're an idiot.
>____You have problems with adware or spyware?
>
>[NEVER]
Bullshit.
>I don't You seem to also have a problem with the difference between what
>is taking place one the hardware of a computer, and what you perceive to
>be taking place as a function of what you are able to "see" on your gui
>interface.
>
>[what Interface is that???]
More proof that you know absolutely nothing about it.
>____You got way to many problems for anyone here to help you out
>with, Royally.
>__You should seek professional assistance.
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>
>Why thank you Professor Turdman
You also seem to have a scat fetish. Sad, actually.
>You'd like that wouldn't you., with me off to therapy you can pull the
>wool of your half witted stunts & corrupt systems analysis over these
>nice folks eyes.......
Nice little fantasy world you live in. You must be a non-working
invalid dope that never goes out anywhere, and has zero grasp of the real
world. No wonder you use WebTardTV for your Internet access.
>You need a Commode but I ain't saying anything. hahahahaha }
You have said a lot. You have said to all that read your utter
horseshit that you are a complete and utter idiot.
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| Bill or whatever your freakin name is, you're just pissed cause I always
find a name that really suits you & your behaviour.... I acquiesce.
---- You Win Bunghole=A0Bill ----
Now - Take Your Buddy - Pick a Pipe & Flow The Fuck On Out !
=AE
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| Don Kelly 2007-11-10, 9:25 pm |
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"Roy" <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1352-47355406-373@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
>I see the Grand High Exhalted Mystic Ruler, Mr. Don Kelly has resolved
> this entire Post......What part of let's not discuss windings or
> electromagnetism wasn't clear ?
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You brought up motors which whether you like it or not involves windings and
electromagnetics.
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> There are motors & theories to fit any & all of our view points - if you
> want to make me look like a fool - I'll never be a jester in this field.
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I don't want to make you look like a fool- only you can do that.
True - a jester is not actually a fool.
bye
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Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
> The Facts discussed should revolve around the missing monitor signal.
>
> Anything else - is nonsense.....
>
> Roy Q.T.
> Urban Technician
> [I don't make em, I just fix em]
>
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| In article <nkuZi.198920$th2.84972@pd7urf3no>, dhky@shaw.ca says...
>
>
> ----------------------------
> "Roy" <ROYKEY@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:1352-47355406-373@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
> ---
> You brought up motors which whether you like it or not involves windings and
> electromagnetics.
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> -----------
> I don't want to make you look like a fool- only you can do that.
>
> True - a jester is not actually a fool.
True, though "fool" is a synonym for "jester". ;-)
see def 2a: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/fool
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