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| Hi everyone
I am working on a Digital Speedometer, i almost finished making PCB
for the digital speedometer which includes 3 parts, 1 power supply, 2
sensor part, 3 digital speedometer PCB, its looks like working and
giving display as well, am working on the ICs because i need to write
up report on all the steps i did including the working of whole PCB,
but the thing is that still am unable to do anything? am too much
confused, is there anyboday who would be able to help me to write up?
i will forward all the PCB drawings made in Dip Trace software, ICs
used, components details, circuit schemetic as well. So please tell me
if any body would be able to write some good stuff for me proper,
please.?
I hope that somebody is going to help me out?
Regards,
Riz
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| Tim Dunne 2007-03-12, 8:25 pm |
| "RsK" <rizkhan7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173743419.815720.38160@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com
> I hope that somebody is going to help me out?
So what you're saying is that you've found some other chaps project on the
net and you want us to explain to you how it works...
www.doyourownfuckinghomework.com
HTH, HAND.
Tim
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better to be somebody else.' - Dave Matthews 'So Much To Say'
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| Meat Plow 2007-03-12, 9:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:14:14 +0000, Tim Dunne wrote:
> "RsK" <rizkhan7@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1173743419.815720.38160@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com
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> So what you're saying is that you've found some other chaps project on the
> net and you want us to explain to you how it works...
>
> www.doyourownfuckinghomework.com
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> HTH, HAND.
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> Tim
That was so harsh of you to say. I would have told the OP to merely go
fuck himself.
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COOSN-266-06-25794
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He bought the PCB .. He has most of the
stuff together , so now learn the easy way ,
ask others who have built it ...
I never make a PCB , first .
I always cobble it together , cordwood
or on cardboard or whatever , for speed .
Tax laws in the US prevent us from competing
in the world . We can't get cometivive pricing
on SRAM . I'll have to go Asia and buy a bag
test em and smuggle em ...
I build test equip' .
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On Mar 12, 5:14 pm, "Tim Dunne" <Bit_Buc...@Blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "RsK" <rizkh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1173743419.815720.38160@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com
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> So what you're saying is that you've found some other chaps project on the
> net and you want us to explain to you how it works...
>
> www.doyourownfuckinghomework.com
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> HTH, HAND.
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Sent from Birmingham, UK... Check outwww.nervouscyclist.org
> 'I find sometimes it's easy to be myself, but sometimes I find it's
> better to be somebody else.' - Dave Matthews 'So Much To Say'
> My 'reply to' address is valid, mail to the posting address is dumped
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| martin griffith 2007-03-13, 5:25 pm |
| On 13 Mar 2007 13:46:36 -0700, in sci.electronics.design "werty"
<werty@swissinfo.org> wrote:
> I build test equip' .
>---------------------------------------------------
>
So how do you test pizza's?
martin
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-13, 8:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:20:17 +0100, martin griffith wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2007 13:46:36 -0700, in sci.electronics.design "werty"
> <werty@swissinfo.org> wrote:
>
> So how do you test pizza's?
>
Test a pizza's what?
Apostrophes are not used for plurals, except in certain special
cases.
Thanks,
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| martin griffith 2007-03-13, 8:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:45:13 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Apostrophe
Police <apopol@example.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:20:17 +0100, martin griffith wrote:
>
>Test a pizza's what?
>
>Apostrophes are not used for plurals, except in certain special
>cases.
>
>Thanks,
>Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
>Apostrophe Police
sorry, my bottle of wine cant' spell
martin
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-13, 9:25 pm |
| Apostrophe Police wrote:
> Thanks,
> Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
> Apostrophe Police
As far as I know, there are no legitimate special cases. Not even for
acronyms like PCBs
Jerry
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-13, 9:25 pm |
| martin griffith wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:45:13 GMT, in sci.electronics.design Apostrophe
> Police <apopol@example.net> wrote:
>
>
> sorry, my bottle of wine cant' spell
So what's with hi's bottle? (Apostrophes are for possessives, no?)
Jerry
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-13, 9:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:48:39 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
> martin griffith wrote:
>
> So what's with hi's bottle? (Apostrophes are for possessives, no?)
>
Hi's name should be capitalized here. ;-)
Apostrophes are for possessives, Yes, BUT NOT IN POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS!
i.e., his, hers, its, yours, ours, theirs.
And the apostrophe also indicates omitted letters as in a contraction,
i.e.:
its = belonging to it
it's = it is.
So, "equip'" could be construed as a contraction for "equipment", where
the apostrophe sort of "place-holds" for the "ment" part. :-)
Cheers!
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-13, 9:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:47:07 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
> Apostrophe Police wrote:
>
>
> As far as I know, there are no legitimate special cases. Not even for
> acronyms like PCBs
OK, I'll buy that. :-)
Cheers!
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-14, 3:25 am |
| Apostrophe Police wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:48:39 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> Hi's name should be capitalized here. ;-)
>
> Apostrophes are for possessives, Yes, BUT NOT IN POSSESSIVE PRONOUNS!
> i.e., his, hers, its, yours, ours, theirs.
>
> And the apostrophe also indicates omitted letters as in a contraction,
> i.e.:
> its = belonging to it
> it's = it is.
>
> So, "equip'" could be construed as a contraction for "equipment", where
> the apostrophe sort of "place-holds" for the "ment" part. :-)
Gee, thanks! So why do so many commercial signs use apostrophes for
plurals -- a local gas station proclaims "Bay's Available" and quote
marks for emphasis? What do you make of
"Bread" baked fresh daily
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| D Herring 2007-03-14, 3:25 am |
| Jerry Avins wrote:
> Apostrophe Police wrote:
>
>
> As far as I know, there are no legitimate special cases. Not even for
> acronyms like PCBs
Use the apostrophe in plurals of
- some single characters (uppercase vowels and all lowercase letters)
- short (2-3 letter) words ending in an ess or vowel sound (In "do's and
dont's", the second apostrophe stays for symmetry.)
- some unfamiliar lowercase abbreviations
- (depending on house style) decades (e.g. the 80's vs the 90s)
Supporting links:
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexpe...tspelling/pizza
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexpe...er/a/apostrophe
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-14, 9:25 am |
| D Herring wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> Use the apostrophe in plurals of
> - some single characters (uppercase vowels and all lowercase letters)
> - short (2-3 letter) words ending in an ess or vowel sound (In "do's and
> dont's", the second apostrophe stays for symmetry.)
What is a dont? :-) I prefer to write "DOs" and "DON'Ts".
> - some unfamiliar lowercase abbreviations
> - (depending on house style) decades (e.g. the 80's vs the 90s)
>
> Supporting links:
> http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexpe...tspelling/pizza
> http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexpe...er/a/apostrophe
I know about them. I think they're logically indefensible. Still,
Clarity of meaning should take precedence over logic, so I don't usually
get upset by them.
Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-14, 1:25 pm |
| On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:27:41 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
> Apostrophe Police wrote:
>
> Gee, thanks! So why do so many commercial signs use apostrophes for
> plurals -- a local gas station proclaims "Bay's Available" and quote
> marks for emphasis?
Because mostly, they're idiots. :-)
> What do you make of
> "Bread" baked fresh daily
To me, that means they're making something that they're calling "bread",
that isn't really bread. :-) Kinda like "buttery" popcorn or "chocolaty"
frozen yogurt, and so on. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-14, 1:25 pm |
| On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:57:39 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
> D Herring wrote:
>
> What is a dont? :-) I prefer to write "DOs" and "DON'Ts".
>
>
> I know about them. I think they're logically indefensible. Still,
> Clarity of meaning should take precedence over logic, so I don't usually
> get upset by them.
I didn't check the "pizza" link (do people misspell "pizza" a lot?), but
the "apostrophe" link seems spot-on.
I just wanted to comment, when you're reading some hype/blurb about some
new whiz-bang software, and the "programmer" who writes it up can't spell
or apostrophize right, and so on, I wonder, "If the guy's this sloppy with
his writing, how bad must the software be?"
Heh - just checked the "pizza" link, and it looks fine to me. :-)
Thanks,
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| Tzortzakakis Dimitrios 2007-03-14, 5:25 pm |
|
? "Apostrophe Police" <apopol@example.net> ?????? ??? ??????
news:pan.2007.03.14.17.36.52.646039@example.net...
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:27:41 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
>
>
> Because mostly, they're idiots. :-)
>
>
>
> To me, that means they're making something that they're calling "bread",
> that isn't really bread. :-) Kinda like "buttery" popcorn or "chocolaty"
> frozen yogurt, and so on. ;-)
>
Well, I don't know about your side of the pond, but here we have to endure
some very bad english (and some very bad greek, too).A good example are
these stores that anything you buy cost 1 euro, that spell "*Everything* 1
euro"and a woman asked the girl "*Anything* 1 euro?"And probably the girl in
the shop understood that a word by word translation doesn't always work
(greek like many languages has some very idiomatic expressions and strange
uses of the language).
PS when typing this message I made at least a dozen typing mistakes, which I
noted, hopefully
PPS Don't feed the trolls delete the crossposts
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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
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| Tzortzakakis Dimitrios 2007-03-14, 5:25 pm |
|
Ο "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> _γραψε στο μήνυμα
news:GMqdnXtYxO_JYmrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@rcn.net...
> D Herring wrote:
>
> What is a dont? :-) I prefer to write "DOs" and "DON'Ts".
>
It's a dent with an o.While tent is a dent with a t.And sent is a tent with
an s.
(Howdya call this game in English)?
--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
>
> I know about them. I think they're logically indefensible. Still,
> Clarity of meaning should take precedence over logic, so I don't usually
> get upset by them.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| Rich Grise 2007-03-14, 5:25 pm |
| On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:32:24 -0400, Meat Plow wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:14:14 +0000, Tim Dunne wrote:
>
> That was so harsh of you to say. I would have told the OP to merely go
> fuck himself.
You're both acting like insufferable boors.
This is sci.electronics.basics, where the only dumb question is the one
that you don't ask.
If OP really _is_ asking for someone to do his/her homework, that will
become clear soon, and _then_ we can start lecturing about the importance
of doing the coursework, but until then, it's just a newbie question,
and remember, we were all newbies once.
Or are you two just assholes who aren't even newbies yet?
Thanks,
Rich
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-14, 5:25 pm |
| Apostrophe Police wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:27:41 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
>
>
> Because mostly, they're idiots. :-)
>
>
>
> To me, that means they're making something that they're calling "bread",
> that isn't really bread. :-) Kinda like "buttery" popcorn or "chocolaty"
> frozen yogurt, and so on. ;-)
And "crispy" chicken. They can't call it "crisp" 'cause it ain't. Oh
yeah: enjoy that Krispy Kreme.
Jerry
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| Martin 2007-03-15, 1:25 pm |
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Rich Grise wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:32:24 -0400, Meat Plow wrote:
>
> You're both acting like insufferable boors.
>
> This is sci.electronics.basics, where the only dumb question is the one
> that you don't ask.
>
> If OP really _is_ asking for someone to do his/her homework, that will
> become clear soon, and _then_ we can start lecturing about the importance
> of doing the coursework, but until then, it's just a newbie question,
> and remember, we were all newbies once.
>
> Or are you two just assholes who aren't even newbies yet?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
Yeah Rich,
You tell em ...
I remember well my newbie days.
The heady excitement of building a circuit.
The nervous anticipation of seeing if it would work.
The agony when it didn't
The frustration of debugging
The elation of figuring out the problem.
The monotony of writing a repor ...
HEY, WAIT A MINUTE
I don't remember writing any _REPORTS_ for stuff I did for myself,
the only time I wrote reports was for ...
Ohhh ... Myyyy ... Gawwwd ...
Something just became clear to me ...
....
....
....
Re-read the original post Rich, he wasn't asking for help
understanding,
he wants someone to write a report for him.
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| Rich Grise 2007-03-15, 5:25 pm |
| On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:48:23 -0700, Martin wrote:
> Rich Grise wrote:
[some stuff]
> Re-read the original post Rich, he wasn't asking for help
> understanding,
> he wants someone to write a report for him.
Well, I have an excuse - I encountered the thread in s.e.basics, where
there is, indeed, no such thing as a dumb question - I hadn't noticed
that it was crossposted all over the planet.
And even in s.e.basics, if it's clearly homework, I'd personally answer
with something like "Ask the teacher" or "reread the coursework".
But I don't like to get nasty in s.e.basics. s.e.design, however, is
pretty much a free-for-all. ;-)
Thanks,
Rich
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| Paul M 2007-03-16, 3:25 am |
| On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:57:30 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
proclaimed to the world:
>Well, I have an excuse - I encountered the thread in s.e.basics, where
>there is, indeed, no such thing as a dumb question - I hadn't noticed
>that it was crossposted all over the planet.
Well this and falling for Meatplow's troll makes you seem like a
clueless newbee yourself. Meatplow and Apostrophe Police are Trolls
looking to see in they can get someone upset.
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-16, 1:25 pm |
| Paul M wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:57:30 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net>
> ... Meatplow and Apostrophe Police are Trolls
> looking to see in they can get someone upset.
I enjoy Apostrophe Police's dry humor.
Jerry
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| Michael A. Terrell 2007-03-16, 1:25 pm |
| Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> Paul M wrote:
>
>
> I enjoy Apostrophe Police's dry humor.
So do my kill filters.
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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| Paul M 2007-03-16, 1:25 pm |
| On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:33:56 -0400, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org>
proclaimed to the world:
>
>I enjoy Apostrophe Police's dry humor.
Well I do to and once in a while interact with trolls because of this.
I have had this blow up in my face, as those that troll tend to not be
real clued in. They look for PAHs (hint - P stands for puckered) that
take themselves a little too serious. My dry humor has been misread
and taken by them as "having a live one" on the hook. They call their
troll buddies to flood the group with "dry humor post". Other regulars
of the group and the newbees start getting upset and jumping in to
comment. Things can go to shit very quickly. While the group we are
posting from seems to not attract troll attention, I can't say that
the other groups that we are crossposting to will be the same. From
personal experience, I urge caution. These trolls love attention, any
attention.
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-16, 5:25 pm |
| Paul M wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:33:56 -0400, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org>
> proclaimed to the world:
>
>
> Well I do to and once in a while interact with trolls because of this.
> I have had this blow up in my face, as those that troll tend to not be
> real clued in. They look for PAHs (hint - P stands for puckered) that
> take themselves a little too serious. My dry humor has been misread
> and taken by them as "having a live one" on the hook. They call their
> troll buddies to flood the group with "dry humor post". Other regulars
> of the group and the newbees start getting upset and jumping in to
> comment. Things can go to shit very quickly. While the group we are
> posting from seems to not attract troll attention, I can't say that
> the other groups that we are crossposting to will be the same. From
> personal experience, I urge caution. These trolls love attention, any
> attention.
Point taken. Done!
Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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| Jerry Avins 2007-03-16, 5:25 pm |
| Rich Grise wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:48:23 -0700, Martin wrote:
> [some stuff]
>
> Well, I have an excuse - I encountered the thread in s.e.basics, where
> there is, indeed, no such thing as a dumb question - I hadn't noticed
> that it was crossposted all over the planet.
>
> And even in s.e.basics, if it's clearly homework, I'd personally answer
> with something like "Ask the teacher" or "reread the coursework".
>
> But I don't like to get nasty in s.e.basics. s.e.design, however, is
> pretty much a free-for-all. ;-)
RsK had the nerve to write me at home. I answered:
RsK wrote:
> On Mar 16, 12:05 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> The basic principal that is being applied in this project is that when
> a wheel rotates a reflective spot that is attached to the tyre shaft
> passes through the sensor, the sensor will then be activated and one
> short pulse will be produced for the each revolution of the wheel. So
> these pulses will then be amplified and will be given to counter for
> counting with the help of a timer circuit, then the output of the
> counter will be given to 7 segment display decoder to display.
Well said! Just flesh it out a bit with details about the sensor,
counter, timer and the way the count is converted to display, and you
have your report.
Jerry
--
Those who bomb airplanes, restaurants, and abortion clinics have taught
me to distrust everyone who believes that morality is written in a book.
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-16, 5:25 pm |
| On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:55:09 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>
> So do my kill filters.
Heh - it's nice to know that I'm able to amuse your computer. :-)
Cheers!
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
Apostrophe Police
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| Apostrophe Police 2007-03-16, 5:25 pm |
| On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:38:59 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
> RsK wrote:
>
> Well said! Just flesh it out a bit with details about the sensor,
> counter, timer and the way the count is converted to display, and you
> have your report.
>
And fix "principle". ;-)
--
Rich Grise, Self-Appointed Chief,
USENET Spelling Police ;-)
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| Bruce Durdle 2007-03-19, 8:25 pm |
| H'es obviou'sly doing green'groc'er training cour'se's.
"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:dqWdnTxN8OzlyWrYnZ2dnUVZ_orinZ2d@rcn.net...
> martin griffith wrote:
>
> So what's with hi's bottle? (Apostrophes are for possessives, no?)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>
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