Electrical Engineering - The perils of "search & replace" in documentation.

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The perils of "search & replace" in documentation.

Adam Funk

2007-06-07, 5:25 pm

I was looking at a "Model PL09564 PLUG-IN POWER MONITOR" on the web
and printed out the product manual (one page), which I happened to
have in my jacket pocket when I was browsing in Maplin later that day
and came across the same product labelled "Model 2000MU-UK PLUG-IN
POWER MONITOR", which I bought.

The two products' sheets are the same except for such substitutions
as

Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to Prodigit 2000M
Plug-in power monitor.

Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to PL09564 Plug-in
power monitor.

and the captions under the figures ("Figure 1 2000M Front Panel";
"Figure 1 PL09564 Front Panel"). Both of them even have the same
"Funcion [sic] Configuration Table".

However, the one from Maplin is rated for "Altitude up to 2000m",
whereas the other is rater for "Altitude up to PL09564".

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out of toes, then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run
out of bullets, you continue anyway because you have no
exception-handling.

JackShephard

2007-06-07, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:12:04 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
wrote:

>I was looking at a "Model PL09564 PLUG-IN POWER MONITOR" on the web
>and printed out the product manual (one page), which I happened to
>have in my jacket pocket when I was browsing in Maplin later that day
>and came across the same product labelled "Model 2000MU-UK PLUG-IN
>POWER MONITOR", which I bought.
>
>The two products' sheets are the same except for such substitutions
>as
>
> Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to Prodigit 2000M
> Plug-in power monitor.
>
> Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to PL09564 Plug-in
> power monitor.
>
>and the captions under the figures ("Figure 1 2000M Front Panel";
>"Figure 1 PL09564 Front Panel"). Both of them even have the same
>"Funcion [sic] Configuration Table".
>
>However, the one from Maplin is rated for "Altitude up to 2000m",
>whereas the other is rater for "Altitude up to PL09564".

Hahahahahahaha! Form the PLeiostene period.

For a large database "replace all" is fine but chancy.

For as few changes as were in there, the guy should have stepped
through them one at a time.

Still better than the old chinese translation motherboard manuals used
to be.

**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**

2007-06-07, 8:25 pm

A firm I worked for in the 90's wrote specifications for PUBLIC SAFETY
agencies. Somehow the proofreader's Word spellchecker program decided to
replace PUBLIC with PUBIC throughout the document. Worse yet, the
document was used as a basis for some other clients work.

JackShephard wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:12:04 +0100, Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hahahahahahaha! Form the PLeiostene period.
>
> For a large database "replace all" is fine but chancy.
>
> For as few changes as were in there, the guy should have stepped
>through them one at a time.
>
> Still better than the old chinese translation motherboard manuals used
>to be.
>
>

--
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"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

JackShephard

2007-06-08, 3:25 am

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:59:10 -0400, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**
<rhyolite@nettally.com> wrote:

>A firm I worked for in the 90's wrote specifications for PUBLIC SAFETY
>agencies. Somehow the proofreader's Word spellchecker program decided to
>replace PUBLIC with PUBIC throughout the document. Worse yet, the
>document was used as a basis for some other clients work.
>

You're "that top post guy".

You forgot the apostrophe in "client's", dope.

John Nice

2007-06-08, 9:25 am

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote in
message news:e2lh63huvlkgd9rctsu05ha5o2eekpnas8@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:59:10 -0400, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**
> <rhyolite@nettally.com> wrote:
>
>
> You're "that top post guy".
>
> You forgot the apostrophe in "client's", dope.
>

Aaah, but it might have been " clients' "

John

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Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-08, 1:25 pm

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:01:25 -0700, JackShephard
<SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:59:10 -0400, **THE-RFI-EMI-GUY**
><rhyolite@nettally.com> wrote:
>
>
> You're "that top post guy".
>
> You forgot the apostrophe in "client's", dope.

And you forgot the hyphen in the compound modifier "top-post" and
apparently never learned where to place commas in relation to
quotation marks, moron.

HTH. HAND.

Adam Funk

2007-06-11, 9:25 am

On 2007-06-08, JackShephard wrote:

>
> You're "that top post guy".
>
> You forgot the apostrophe in "client's", dope.

He put it in "90s" instead (conservation of mass).

(What do you want from someone who doesn't know how to post in the
right order and in plain text?)

--
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Maybe because some people are too annoyed by top-posting.
Q: Why do I not get an answer to my question(s)?

Bill McCray

2007-06-11, 8:25 pm

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:10 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:01:25 -0700, JackShephard
> <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>
>
> And you forgot the hyphen in the compound modifier "top-post" and
> apparently never learned where to place commas in relation to
> quotation marks, moron.

I agree about "top-post", but you'd better check up on the differences
between the US and the UK in punctuation conventions concerning
quotation marks, Kevin. Although I live in the US, I have adopted the
UK convention myself. It's more logical than our standard.

Bill

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tony cooper

2007-06-11, 8:25 pm

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:30:27 -0400, Bill McCray
<McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:10 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>I agree about "top-post", but you'd better check up on the differences
>between the US and the UK in punctuation conventions concerning
>quotation marks, Kevin. Although I live in the US, I have adopted the
>UK convention myself. It's more logical than our standard.

I agree. I do the same thing. In all the years I've been posting in
alt.usage.english and alt.english.usage no one's ever commented on
this being wrong or different.

--

Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

John Schmidt

2007-06-11, 9:25 pm

tony cooper wrote:

> I do the same thing. In all the years I've been posting in
> alt.usage.english and alt.english.usage no one's ever commented on
> this being wrong or different.

Either they have you killfiled, or they're so distracted by your
inconsistent use of whitespace after periods ("full stops" to the
non-native English speakers) that

OHHH!!!! SHINEY!!!!

tony cooper

2007-06-12, 3:25 am

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:49 -0400, John Schmidt <js@radix.net> wrote:

>tony cooper wrote:
>
>
>Either they have you killfiled, or they're so distracted by your
>inconsistent use of whitespace after periods ("full stops" to the
>non-native English speakers) that
>
Nothing inconsistent about my use of periods. Bang the thumb twice on
the spacebar after the period at the end of a sentence. Conditioned
response to learning to type in high school on a manual typewriter.

No space after the mark in a newsgroup name. Nor should there be.

Periods are also a "full stop" to a native English speaker if that
native English speaker happens to be from the UK.

OBaeu: What is the mark called in a newsgroup name? It's read out as
alt dot english dot usage, but is there a name for it other than
"dot"?

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Orlando, FL

Mark Edwards

2007-06-12, 9:25 am

No cluons were harmed when tony cooper wrote:
>OBaeu: What is the mark called in a newsgroup name? It's read out as
>alt dot english dot usage, but is there a name for it other than
>"dot"?

Fred. As in, "At this company, you can name your salary. I've named mine
'Fred'."

Or maybe subcategory sepatator.

Mark Edwards
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Doctroid

2007-06-12, 9:25 am

In article <mmqr63de2r1mh4p3etr56tciui7dfslpo7@4ax.com>,
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:30:27 -0400, Bill McCray
> <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>
>
> I agree. I do the same thing. In all the years I've been posting in
> alt.usage.english and alt.english.usage no one's ever commented on
> this being wrong or different.

When the English get all smug about how we spell color wrong or
pronounce aluminum wrong or don't know how to use "shall" and "will"
properly I just want to punch their smarmy English teeth down their
condescending English throats.

But when it comes to punctuating in the proximity of quotation marks,
they've got it right and I cheerfully defected to the enemy years ago.

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It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

Flying Tortoise

2007-06-12, 1:25 pm

On Jun 12, 3:09 pm, Doctroid <doctr...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> In article <mmqr63de2r1mh4p3etr56tciui7dfsl...@4ax.com>,
> tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> When the English get all smug about how we spell color wrong or
> pronounce aluminum wrong or don't know how to use "shall" and "will"
> properly I just want to punch their smarmy English teeth down their
> condescending English throats.

That's weird cos I get the same reaction when people generalise wildly
by lumping all of us in with 'the English'. Please rephrase. "When an
English person ..." or "When a person from England ..." will do
nicely.

By the way, I don't imagine anyone's really ever told you that you
pronounce 'aluminum' wrong or indeed that you spell 'color' wrong.
What other pronunciation or spelling is there? Of course, you do spell
'aluminium' and 'colour' wrong but that's not important right now! ;c)

Don Salad

2007-06-12, 1:25 pm

tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Periods are also a "full stop" to a native English speaker if that
> native English speaker happens to be from the UK.

Handful of straw!
HANDFUL OF STRAW!

Thanks,
Don

Doctroid

2007-06-12, 1:25 pm

In article <1181661069.556816.326140@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Flying Tortoise <purple.mug@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 12, 3:09 pm, Doctroid <doctr...@mailinator.com> wrote:

>
> That's weird cos I get the same reaction when people generalise wildly
> by lumping all of us in with 'the English'.

That's weird because I have no recollection of ever having lumped "all
of you", whoever that plural you might be (I seem not to be very
successful at reading your mind this morning) in with "the English".

> By the way, I don't imagine anyone's really ever told you that you
> pronounce 'aluminum' wrong or indeed that you spell 'color' wrong.

Your lack of imagination is not my problem.

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-- Chris McG.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-12, 1:25 pm

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:30:27 -0400, Bill McCray
<McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:55:10 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
>wrote:
>
>
>I agree about "top-post", but you'd better check up on the differences
>between the US and the UK in punctuation conventions concerning
>quotation marks, Kevin.

Thanks for the helpful hint, Bill (if that is you're real name). I
assure you that I was quite aware of the differences when I posted,
and quite aware that you were posting from the U.S.

>Although I live in the US, I have adopted the
>UK convention myself. It's more logical than our standard.
>
Particularly on a global communication medium such as the Usernet
(TM), your use of the UK conventions is unremarkable, except when
accompanied by a usage flame and name-calling, idiot.

Michael Moroney

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

**THE-RFI-EMI-GUY** <rhyolite@nettally.com> writes:

>A firm I worked for in the 90's wrote specifications for PUBLIC SAFETY
>agencies. Somehow the proofreader's Word spellchecker program decided to
>replace PUBLIC with PUBIC throughout the document. Worse yet, the
>document was used as a basis for some other clients work.

A popular urban legend (truthfulness unknown) is someone wanted to
make sure a financial report was politically correct and they
did a global search and replace. The result was that a profitable
company was described as being "in the African-American".

ehsjr

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

Doctroid wrote:
> In article <1181661069.556816.326140@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Flying Tortoise <purple.mug@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> That's weird because I have no recollection of ever having lumped "all
> of you", whoever that plural you might be (I seem not to be very
^^^^^^^
whomever
> successful at reading your mind this morning) in with "the English".
>
>
>
>
> Your lack of imagination is not my problem.
>

Bill McCray

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:48:21 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:30:27 -0400, Bill McCray
> <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the helpful hint, Bill (if that is you're real name). I
> assure you that I was quite aware of the differences when I posted,
> and quite aware that you were posting from the U.S.

My parents named me William, but I choose to go by Bill.

I wouldn't have written except that it looked like you weren't aware
of the difference.

> Particularly on a global communication medium such as the Usernet
> (TM), your use of the UK conventions is unremarkable, except when
> accompanied by a usage flame and name-calling, idiot.

Uh, what flame? And the only name I called you was Kevin. I think
that was how your post was signed. If not, I apologize. However it
appears that you have called me "idiot", which I think is uncalled
for.

Bill

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barbara@bookpro.com

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:43:42 GMT, ehsjr <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:

>Doctroid wrote:
> ^^^^^^^
>whomever

Wrong. I'm sure the kind folks in a.u.e can explain why. Or the
unkind ones.

BW

Otto Bahn

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

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"ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote

> ^^^^^^^
> whomever

It tolls for thee, silly.

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2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

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ehsjr wrote:
> Doctroid wrote:

> ^^^^^^^
> whomever

Would you care to explain the basis of your hypercorrection? I
understand that you might have some difficulty, since you are without
any doubt completely wrong.

Glenn Knickerbocker

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

Bill McCray wrote:
> Uh, what flame? And the only name I called you was Kevin. I think
> that was how your post was signed. If not, I apologize. However it
> appears that you have called me "idiot", which I think is uncalled
> for.

I don't know, which do you think is uncalled for? We usually end
questions with question marks (or interrobangs) around here, by the
way. And just how many ways can it appear that Kevin has called you
"idiot," anyway?

¬R

Adam Funk

2007-06-12, 5:25 pm

On 2007-06-12, Otto Bahn wrote:

>
> It tolls for thee, silly.

You missplet "trolls".

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2007-06-12, 8:25 pm

"Adam Funk" <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote

>
> You missplet "trolls".

Uh, no. That was a reference to a Steinbeck novel.

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Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-12, 8:25 pm

Kevin S. Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:30:27 -0400, Bill McCray
> <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for the helpful hint, Bill (if that is you're real name).

Nice try, but I fear you might need to be less subtle.

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-- House, M.D.

Matthew L. Martin

2007-06-12, 8:25 pm

Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
> Bill McCray wrote:
>
> I don't know, which do you think is uncalled for? We usually end
> questions with question marks (or interrobangs) around here, by the
> way. And just how many ways can it appear that Kevin has called you
> "idiot," anyway?

All of them.

Matthew

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Bill McCray

2007-06-12, 8:25 pm

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:09:35 -0400, Glenn Knickerbocker
<NotR@bestweb.net> wrote:

> Bill McCray wrote:

Hi, Glenn. Are you still singing? We visited Russia last summer, but
didn't get to Georgia.
[color=darkred]
> I don't know, which do you think is uncalled for? We usually end
> questions with question marks (or interrobangs) around here, by the
> way.

The only question in what you quoted has a question mark.

> And just how many ways can it appear that Kevin has called you
> "idiot," anyway?

Good question. I don't know the answer.

> ¬R

Bill

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Don Salad

2007-06-12, 8:25 pm

Bill McCray <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>
>
> Uh, what flame? And the only name I called you was Kevin.

Around here, that's fightin talk.

Thanks,
Don

David DeLaney

2007-06-12, 9:25 pm

barbara@bookpro.com <barbara@bookpro.com> wrote:
>ehsjr <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
>
>Wrong. I'm sure the kind folks in a.u.e can explain why. Or the
>unkind ones.

"whomsoever"?

Dave
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David DeLaney

2007-06-12, 9:25 pm

Bill McCray <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>Glenn Knickerbocker <NotR@bestweb.net> wrote:
>
>Good question. I don't know the answer.

Because someone has to:

"One. Two. Threeee. <CRUNCH> ... Three!"

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Robert Lieblich

2007-06-12, 9:25 pm

David DeLaney wrote:
>
> barbara@bookpro.com <barbara@bookpro.com> wrote:
>
> "whomsoever"?

Wrong again. The relative pronoun is in the nominative (or
subjective) case, and therefore "whoever", because it's the subject
(or predicate nominative, if you think of the clause as inverted) of
the dependent clause in which it appears: "whoever that plural you
might be." The entire clause is a noun clause in apposition to (or
modifying) "all of you".

The general rule, of which this is an instance, is that the relative
pronoun "who" takes its case form from the clause in which it appears,
without regard to how that clause is used in the sentence as a whole.
Hence:

1. Give it to whoever finishes first.

but

2. Give it to whomever you select.

Lots of people use "whoever" in the second example, even though it's
technically incorrect, but there's no justification (aside from
ignorance) for "whoever" in the first.

--
Bob Lieblich
To whom it's all perfectly clear (except when it isn't)

Robert Lieblich

2007-06-12, 9:25 pm

Robert Lieblich wrote:
>
> David DeLaney wrote:
>
> Wrong again. The relative pronoun is in the nominative (or
> subjective) case, and therefore "whoever", because it's the subject
> (or predicate nominative, if you think of the clause as inverted) of
> the dependent clause in which it appears: "whoever that plural you
> might be." The entire clause is a noun clause in apposition to (or
> modifying) "all of you".
>
> The general rule, of which this is an instance, is that the relative
> pronoun "who" takes its case form from the clause in which it appears,
> without regard to how that clause is used in the sentence as a whole.
> Hence:
>
> 1. Give it to whoever finishes first.
>
> but
>
> 2. Give it to whomever you select.
>
> Lots of people use "whoever" in the second example, even though it's
> technically incorrect, but there's no justification (aside from
> ignorance) for "whoever" in the first.

Now I'm wrong. It's "whomever" "whomever" "whomever" in the first
that is inexcusable. Pardon me while I moisten a noodle for some
self-flagellation.

Dan

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

Michael Moroney wrote:
>
> A popular urban legend (truthfulness unknown) is someone wanted to
> make sure a financial report was politically correct and they
> did a global search and replace. The result was that a profitable
> company was described as being "in the African-American".

Total bullshit, but Kevin and his troll friends and of course his afro
wife will love it. I can see why your name has "Moron" in it.

JackShephard

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:00:10 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:

>Bill McCray <McCrayBill@SpringMind.com> wrote:
>
>Because someone has to:
>
>"One. Two. Threeee. <CRUNCH> ... Three!"
>
>Dave "sometimes I do wish it wasn't my turn in the platen though" DeLaney

This is the modern laser printed world.

There are no platens ("We don' need no stinking platens!").

The corona wire can sting a bit at times, however.

JackShephard

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:23:10 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:

>David DeLaney wrote:
>
>Wrong again. The relative pronoun is in the nominative (or
>subjective) case, and therefore "whoever", because it's the subject
>(or predicate nominative, if you think of the clause as inverted) of
>the dependent clause in which it appears: "whoever that plural you
>might be." The entire clause is a noun clause in apposition to (or
>modifying) "all of you".
>
>The general rule, of which this is an instance, is that the relative
>pronoun "who" takes its case form from the clause in which it appears,
>without regard to how that clause is used in the sentence as a whole.
>Hence:
>
>1. Give it to whoever finishes first.
>
>but
>
>2. Give it to whomever you select.
>
>Lots of people use "whoever" in the second example, even though it's
>technically incorrect, but there's no justification (aside from
>ignorance) for "whoever" in the first.

Brilliant. Including the sig, which got snipped... :-]

JackShephard

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:27:03 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Robert Lieblich wrote:
>
>Now I'm wrong. It's "whomever" "whomever" "whomever" in the first
>that is inexcusable. Pardon me while I moisten a noodle for some
>self-flagellation.

Al Denté

David DeLaney

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

Robert Lieblich <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Robert Lieblich wrote:
>
>Now I'm wrong. It's "whomever" "whomever" "whomever" in the first
>that is inexcusable. Pardon me while I moisten a noodle for some
>self-flagellation.

Okay, so "whomsnoever". Got it.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

JackShephard

2007-06-13, 3:25 am

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:55:12 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:

>Robert Lieblich <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Okay, so "whomsnoever". Got it.
>

You got "snowed in" by that one too. :-]

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-13, 9:25 am

Robert Lieblich wrote:
> The entire clause is a noun clause in apposition to (or
> modifying) "all of you".

ITYM "Y'all".

HTH HAND BBQ WTF

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Mark Edwards

2007-06-13, 9:25 am

[snip whomsowhatever]

Robert Lieblich <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:[color=darkred]

Ceiling cat is watching your profligate flagellation.

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Don Salad

2007-06-13, 9:25 am

"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote:

> Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
>
> All of them.

Sneak out the back, Jack!
Make a new plan, Stan!

Thanks,
Don

Doctroid

2007-06-13, 9:25 am

In article <466F55F7.9FFF8E02@yahoo.com>,
Robert Lieblich <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Robert Lieblich wrote:
>
> Now I'm wrong. It's "whomever" "whomever" "whomever" in the first
> that is inexcusable. Pardon me while I moisten a noodle for some
> self-flagellation.

Yeah, whatever.

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

Doctroid

2007-06-13, 9:25 am

In article <f4n6ug$3hp$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:

> "Adam Funk" <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote
>
>
> Uh, no. That was a reference to a Steinbeck novel.

"Catch-22", right?

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

Otto Bahn

2007-06-13, 1:25 pm

"Doctroid" <doctroid@mailinator.com> wrote

>
> "Catch-22", right?

Good guess, but no.

--oTTo--

Mark Edwards

2007-06-13, 1:25 pm

[snips]

"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:

No cluons were harmed when Doctroid wrote:[color=darkred]
>"Catch-22", right?

Probably not. That was Hemingway.

You do know that Steinbeck died before completing "Slaughterhouse Five",
don't you?

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Albert Troll

2007-06-13, 1:25 pm

Robert Lieblich <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now I'm wrong. It's "whomever" "whomever" "whomever" in the first
> that is inexcusable. Pardon me while I moisten a noodle for some
> insertion.

IFYPFY.

Adam Funk

2007-06-13, 5:25 pm

On 2007-06-12, Otto Bahn wrote:

>
> Uh, no. That was a reference to a Steinbeck novel.

Yes, Ingmar Steinbeck wrote a number of those D&D-type novels, before
Operation Sundevil.

--
NO CARRIER

Glenn Knickerbocker

2007-06-13, 8:25 pm

Bill McCray wrote:
> Hi, Glenn. Are you still singing?

I'm in a production of "TomFoolery" that closes this weekend.

> The only question in what you quoted has a question mark.

If you think a little about what prompted me to ask the following
question, however, you might understand why there seemed to be another:
[color=darkred]

¬R

Glenn Knickerbocker

2007-06-13, 8:25 pm

Dan wrote:
> Michael Moroney wrote:
> Total bullshit,

Only half bullshit, actually. The phrase appeared in the July 19, 1990
Fresno Bee, but it was put there deliberately as a joke.

¬R

Matthew L. Martin

2007-06-13, 8:25 pm

Glenn Knickerbocker wrote:
> Bill McCray wrote:
>
> I'm in a production of "TomFoolery" that opens and closes this weekend.
>

IFYPFY

Matthew

--
I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
Which one do you want?

JackShephard

2007-06-13, 8:25 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:24:13 -0000, Mark Edwards
<Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:

>You do know that Steinbeck died before completing "Slaughterhouse Five",
>don't you?

I doubt anyone knows, since he didn't even write it.

It was Kurt Vonnegut.

Great book. Great flic.

Doctroid

2007-06-14, 9:25 am

In article <2r41735qhhttpvimrs1rghu38io97qv7fp@4ax.com>,
JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:24:13 -0000, Mark Edwards
> <Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I doubt anyone knows, since he didn't even write it.

No one claimed he did. Steinbeck used a typewriter. (Now on display at
San Jose State University).

> It was Kurt Vonnegut.
>
> Great book.

It would've been better if Vonnegut had contented himself with
completing Steinbeck's novel in Steinbeck's style, rather than trying to
rewrite it in "Vonnegutese". Hemingway would've done a better job of
it.

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

Otto Bahn

2007-06-14, 9:25 am

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote

>
>
> I doubt anyone knows, since he didn't even write it.
>
> It was Kurt Vonnegut.

*He* was Kurt Vonnegut.

--oTTo--

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:02:35 -0700, JackShephard
<SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:24:13 -0000, Mark Edwards
><Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I doubt anyone knows, since he didn't even write it.

Um . . . yeah. That's what he said. Kind of difficult for Steinbeck to
write "Slaughterhouse Five" when he's dead and all.

> It was Kurt Vonnegut.

Who was?

> Great book. Great flic.

Hollywood should make more movies out of Steinbeck novels. Why just
"Slaughterhouse Five" and not one of the others?

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:23:10 -0400, Robert Lieblich
<r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Lots of people use "whoever" in the second example, even though it's
>technically incorrect, but there's no justification (aside from
>ignorance) for "whoever" in the first.

I suspect you've made quite a few people here happy by inferring that
ignorance is sufficient justification for incorrect usage.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:02:38 -0400, Glenn Knickerbocker
<NotR@bestweb.net> wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>
>Only half bullshit, actually. The phrase appeared in the July 19, 1990
>Fresno Bee, but it was put there deliberately as a joke.
>
You expect facts to get in the way of Dank spewing his poisonous,
pitiable bile?

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:csm273deajt0blgt1l0sc2b5hdsvu71rff@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:23:10 -0400, Robert Lieblich
> <r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> I suspect you've made quite a few people here happy by inferring that
> ignorance is sufficient justification for incorrect usage.

The only ignorance I see here is yours, toward perfectly normal language
shift.

Feel free to make yourself feel unhappy about it; I promise that won't ruin
my day.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote in message
news:f4rj05$hmr$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
> "JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote
>
>
> *He* was Kurt Vonnegut.

"He was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote Slaughterhouse Five"?

I think not.

Jacob W. Haller

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

Mark Wallace <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:

> "Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote in message
> news:f4rj05$hmr$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
>
> "He was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote Slaughterhouse Five"?
>
> I think not.

Oh, he was some other Kurt Vonnegut then? Which one?

-jwgh

--
"'God damn, this banjo will make a club!'"
-- John Brunner, _No Other Gods But Me_ (1966)

Mark Edwards

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

Mark Edwards wrote:

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote[color=darkred]

No cluons were harmed when Otto Bahn wrote:[color=darkred]
>*He* was Kurt Vonnegut.

Now waitaminute. Then WHO was Francis Bacon? Mmmmm! Bacon.

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Otto Bahn

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

"Jacob W. Haller" <yoof@jwgh.org> wrote

>
> Oh, he was some other Kurt Vonnegut then? Which one?

The one who went to Trafalgar.

I had a writing professor who once made some crack about
college kids who go around with a Kurt Vonnegut novel in
their back pocket. I happened to have one in my backpack,
so I made a big production out of getting it and stuck it
in my back pocket.

"I didn't realize I was supposed to keep it *there*."

That was same class where I learned that some burglars
have orgasms as they enter a house. Others leave...um...
"souveniers".

--oTTo--

What's in *your* back pocket?!

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

Mark Edwards <Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:
>Mark Edwards wrote:
>
>"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote
>
>No cluons were harmed when Otto Bahn wrote:
>
>Now waitaminute. Then WHO was Francis Bacon? Mmmmm! Bacon.

Third base! And did you bring enough Bacon for everyone, young man?

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 1:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:18:04 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
>news:csm273deajt0blgt1l0sc2b5hdsvu71rff@4ax.com...
>
>The only ignorance I see here is yours, toward perfectly normal language
>shift.

In exactly what way is it possible for one to be "ignorant toward"
something? Is English your first language?

>Feel free to make yourself feel unhappy about it; I promise that won't ruin
>my day.
>
You appear to have grossly overestimated your importance in the
matter. Has this tendency to exhibit an inflated sense of self-worth
caused you problems in the past?

Doctroid

2007-06-14, 5:25 pm

In article <46716ae9$0$25478$9a622dc7@news.kpnplanet.nl>,
"Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:

> "Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote in message
> news:f4rj05$hmr$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
>
> "He was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote Slaughterhouse Five"?
>
> I think not.

Right, as someone said, it was Steinbeck.

Loved your work on "60 Minutes", by the way.

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 5:25 pm

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:aiu273tfs4gqqrglmpq6ij19c670c7gnht@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:18:04 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
> In exactly what way is it possible for one to be "ignorant toward"
> something? Is English your first language?

Buy a dictionary; I'm bored with you already.

I can only hope that you're posting either from the engineering or the
religious groups; you obviously know nothing at all about the English
language.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 5:25 pm

"Doctroid" <doctroid@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:doctroid-A208C2.15265214062007@news.individual.net...
> In article <46716ae9$0$25478$9a622dc7@news.kpnplanet.nl>,
> "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Right, as someone said, it was Steinbeck.

I don't really care who wrote what; I was commenting on the lousy syntax.

> Loved your work on "60 Minutes", by the way.

I've got at least two minutes left in me.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 5:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:24:08 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Doctroid" <doctroid@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>news:doctroid-A208C2.15265214062007@news.individual.net...
>
>I don't really care who wrote what; I was commenting on the lousy syntax.
>
>
>
>I've got at least two minutes left in me.
>
A 2-minute man, huh? Not really something you ought to be advertising.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 5:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:21:32 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
>news:aiu273tfs4gqqrglmpq6ij19c670c7gnht@4ax.com...
>
>Buy a dictionary; I'm bored with you already.

Can't explain it, huh? I see.
>
>I can only hope that you're posting either from the engineering or the
>religious groups; you obviously know nothing at all about the English
>language.
>
I'm posting in a Usernet chat room, same as you. Are you new to this
stuff?

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

Doctroid wrote:
> In article <f4n6ug$3hp$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,
> "Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Catch-22", right?

That was David Helfgott.

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

Jacob W. Haller wrote:
> Mark Wallace <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, he was some other Kurt Vonnegut then? Which one?

The one who invented Post-its.

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

Otto Bahn wrote:
> "Jacob W. Haller" <yoof@jwgh.org> wrote
>
>
> The one who went to Trafalgar.
>
> I had a writing professor who once made some crack about
> college kids who go around with a Kurt Vonnegut novel in
> their back pocket. I happened to have one in my backpack,
> so I made a big production out of getting it and stuck it
> in my back pocket.
>
> "I didn't realize I was supposed to keep it *there*."
>
> That was same class where I learned that some burglars
> have orgasms as they enter a house. Others leave...um...
> "souveniers".
>
> --oTTo--
>
> What's in *your* back pocket?!

Po-tah-to(e)

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

Mark Wallace wrote:
> "Doctroid" <doctroid@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:doctroid-A208C2.15265214062007@news.individual.net...
>
> I don't really care who wrote what; I was commenting on the lousy syntax.

Everyone complains about taxes.

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Otto Bahn

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

"Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote

>
> I don't really care who wrote what; I was commenting on the lousy syntax.

Well, sure after you go adding an extra claus to the end.

--oTTo--

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:vre373prdfaabg5jcbuerfg2e2s06f111k@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:21:32 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
> Can't explain it, huh? I see.

Oh! A troll-like response!

How surprising.

How about your giving an explanation for requiring me to discuss "ignorant
toward", when what I wrote was "ignorance toward", troll?

Just bugger off, eh?

> I'm posting in a Usernet chat room, same as you. Are you new to this
> stuff?

How un-troll-like.

I've been doing this since before Usenet was Usenet. Your use of "usernet"
and "chat room" speaks volumes.

Go back to talking of things electrical, eh? I promise I won't harrass you
with ridiculous and impossible statements about how electricity works.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:4re373ltggl5p4g6la1r79oab2knk7tpr0@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:24:08 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
> A 2-minute man, huh? Not really something you ought to be advertising.

Size matters.

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

Mark Wallace <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>How about your giving an explanation for requiring me to discuss "ignorant
>toward", when what I wrote was "ignorance toward", troll?

I, also, was not aware that ignorance was a vector quantity. Can I see the
circuit diagram please?

>"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
>
>How un-troll-like.
>
>I've been doing this since

last Friday?

>before Usenet was Usenet.

Oh. Last August.

>Your use of "usernet" and "chat room" speaks volumes.

That's because of the new meaning-unpacking plug-in modules they're putting
in newsreaders now. Kids these days ... why, there are people here who could
tell you about reading news on an ABACUS.

>Go back to talking of things electrical, eh? I promise I won't harrass you
>with ridiculous and impossible statements about how electricity works.

Check me here, guys, is that a _challenge_?

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote in message
news:f4sgka$8oq$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
> "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote
>
>
> Well, sure after you go adding an extra claus to the end.

I don't need to add an "extra" clause to "It was Kurt Vonnegut"; the "extra"
clause is implicitly implied.

There does not exist a clause that begins with "It was Kurt Vonnegut" that
does not require a dependent clause (whether expressed or derived from what
has already been said). It is not self-contained or absolute.

If you can describe a situation where "He was Kurt Vonnegut" can be used to
open a declarative concourse, instead of "It was Kurt Vonnegut", please let
me know. You will have discovered something new about the English language,
that billions of users before you did not know.

By the way, you need a comma after "sure", and an 'e' at the end of "claus".

Why do I even bother talking to these people?

Oh. Because Robbie's on sabbatical.

Bloody lazy shysters! Why can you never find one, when you need one?

Mark Wallace

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrnf73i3u.m58.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> Mark Wallace <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>
> I, also, was not aware that ignorance was a vector quantity. Can I see the
> circuit diagram please?
>
>
> last Friday?
>
>
> Oh. Last August.
>
>
> That's because of the new meaning-unpacking plug-in modules they're
> putting
> in newsreaders now. Kids these days ... why, there are people here who
> could
> tell you about reading news on an ABACUS.
>
>
> Check me here, guys, is that a _challenge_?

Golly. I can see that you're a really clever chappie, and that I should
never even try to discuss things with you.

'Bye, now.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:49:16 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
>news:vre373prdfaabg5jcbuerfg2e2s06f111k@4ax.com...
>
>Oh! A troll-like response!
>
>How surprising.
>
>How about your giving an explanation for requiring me to discuss "ignorant
>toward", when what I wrote was "ignorance toward", troll?
>
>Just bugger off, eh?
>
From where, to where? Are you sure you understand how these chat rooms
work?
>
>
>How un-troll-like.
>
>I've been doing this since before Usenet was Usenet.

I think you mean "Usernet" (tm).

>Your use of "usernet"
>and "chat room" speaks volumes.

As does your response to my use of these two well-established and
commonplace terms. Really. Volumes.

>Go back to talking of things electrical, eh? I promise I won't harrass you
>with ridiculous and impossible statements about how electricity works.
>
I would have to first begin talking about "things electrical" before I
could go back to doing so.

BTW, are you sure you don't mean "electrical things"? Don't sweat it
if that's what you meant. Lots of non-native speakers of English
reverse the standard order of adjective/noun.

Kevin S. Wilson

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:12:04 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
>news:slrnf73i3u.m58.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
>
>Golly. I can see that you're a really clever chappie, and that I should
>never even try to discuss things with you.
>
>'Bye, now.
>
Is that twice now that you said you were leaving?

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:38:04 -0400, Doctroid <doctroid@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>In article <2r41735qhhttpvimrs1rghu38io97qv7fp@4ax.com>,
> JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>
>
>No one claimed he did. Steinbeck used a typewriter. (Now on display at
>San Jose State University).

Semantical bullshit regarding the word "write".

So, you are saying that Steinbeck was not a "writer", but a "typer"?

Idiot!
>
>
>It would've been better if Vonnegut had contented himself with
>completing Steinbeck's novel in Steinbeck's style, rather than trying to
>rewrite it in "Vonnegutese". Hemingway would've done a better job of
>it.

So, it's OK if YOU say "rewrite", but I can't use the word "write"?

Take a hike.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:23:00 -0400, "Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:

>"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote
>
>
>*He* was Kurt Vonnegut.
>

The most correct phrase would be:

"The writer was Kurt Vonnegut."

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:13:57 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>Hollywood should make more movies out of Steinbeck novels. Why just
>"Slaughterhouse Five" and not one of the others?

You've never seen "The Grapes of Wrath"?

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:16:19 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:23:10 -0400, Robert Lieblich
><r_s_lieblich@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>I suspect you've made quite a few people here happy by inferring that
>ignorance is sufficient justification for incorrect usage.

Just axe anyone from the deep south.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:21:08 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote in message
>news:f4rj05$hmr$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...
>
>"He was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote Slaughterhouse Five"?
>
>I think not.
>
http://imdb.com/title/tt0069280/

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:37:23 -0000, Mark Edwards
<Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>Now waitaminute. Then WHO was Francis Bacon? Mmmmm! Bacon.

Was he Canadian? Mmmm... Canadian Bacon.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:38:23 -0400, "Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:

>The one who went to Trafalgar.

Do you mean "Tralfamador"?

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:10:29 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:

>Mark Edwards <Mark-Edwards@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Third base! And did you bring enough Bacon for everyone, young man?
>

You gotta get in to get out... -Peter Gabriel

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:26:52 -0400, Doctroid <doctroid@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>In article <46716ae9$0$25478$9a622dc7@news.kpnplanet.nl>,
> "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>
>
>Right, as someone said, it was Steinbeck.
>
>Loved your work on "60 Minutes", by the way.

Only off by three letters...

One of which would have been the non-existent letter of recommendation.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:04:41 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:24:08 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
>wrote:
>
>A 2-minute man, huh? Not really something you ought to be advertising.

A working class hero is something to be... -John Lennon

The word for today is:

STAMINA!

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 8:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:05:26 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>I'm posting in a Usernet chat room, same as you. Are you new to this
>stuff?

You must be. Such a thing does not exist. Usenet is NOT a chat forum.

It is not a message forum. It most closest resembles a bulletin board
forum, but even that description has its detractors.

Yours, however, is WAY off the mark.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:49:16 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>Go back to talking of things electrical, eh? I promise I won't harrass you
>with ridiculous and impossible statements about how electricity works.
>

He didn't come from here either.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:49:56 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>
>"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
>news:4re373ltggl5p4g6la1r79oab2knk7tpr0@4ax.com...
>
>Size matters.
>
It ain't the meat, it's the motion. -unknown

Live it, or live with it... -some lady in '69

The devil made me wear this dress... -Flip Wilson

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:09:18 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
wrote:

>Bloody lazy shysters!

After being all pissed off about others' usage, you call this crap
proper? I say... bloody bullshit.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:32:55 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>As does your response to my use of these two well-established and
>commonplace terms. Really. Volumes.

Neither of which have anything to do with Usenet.

IRC has "chat rooms", or "channels". Usenet does not. Not in any way,
shape, or form, and it has never been referred to as "usernet", except by
some dopes that think it is a chat room forum.

JackShephard

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:33:37 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
wrote:

>Is that twice now that you said you were leaving?

Jeez... grow the fuck up already.

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>Doctroid <doctroid@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> Semantical bullshit regarding the word "write".
>
> So, you are saying that Steinbeck was not a "writer", but a "typer"?

If it was good enough for Truman Capote, it oughta be good enough for thou.

>
> So, it's OK if YOU say "rewrite", but I can't use the word "write"?

....wait a second, I'm getting a clue text message. It says it's for you.

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>"Otto Bahn" <ei@eio.com> wrote:
>
> The most correct phrase would be:
> "The writer was Kurt Vonnegut."

"The writers were Kurt Vonnegut. So they go." would be more correct. If
Vonnegut had actually written that, rather than Catch-22, that is.

Dave "im in ur argument, subjuntivizin ur modez" DeLaney
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net> wrote:
>BTW, are you sure you don't mean "electrical things"? Don't sweat it
>if that's what you meant. Lots of non-native speakers of English
>reverse the standard order of adjective/noun.

I thought the PC/DC term was "items of electricity", anyway?

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

Doctroid

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

In article <4bp373tou3l90s10e4ajsn1ps1ng7c24ra@4ax.com>,
JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:

> So, you are saying that Steinbeck was not a "writer", but a "typer"?
>
> Idiot!

That's uncalled for. Steinbeck may not have been as smart as Ayn Rand,
but he was no idiot.

> So, it's OK if YOU say "rewrite", but I can't use the word "write"?

Of course you can. You just DID.

> Take a hike.

Thanks, I just took one.

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

David DeLaney

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net> wrote:
>
> Neither of which have anything to do with Usenet.
>
> IRC has "chat rooms", or "channels". Usenet does not. Not in any way,
>shape, or form, and it has never been referred to as "usernet", except by
>some dopes that think it is a chat room forum.

"What, ne-ver?"
C B G

Dave
--
\/David DeLaney posting from dbd@vic.com "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.

anTonOMasia

2007-06-14, 9:25 pm

* David DeLaney wrote, On 06/14/2007 10:03 PM:
> JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>
> "What, ne-ver?"
> C B G

I think I've never seen a singing Usernet(tm) post before.

Have you patented that outside of this chat room?

--

anTon O'Masia [ antonomasia <at> gmail <dot> com ]

Doctroid

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

In article <f4ssmg$g3r$1@news.datemas.de>, anTonOMasia <address@my.sig>
wrote:

> I think I've never seen a singing Usernet(tm) post before.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....63b84621975cd8e

--
- Doctroid Doctroid Holmes
It's too confused to make sense, so let's make nonsense.
-- Chris McG.

JackShephard

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:03:13 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:

>Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net> wrote:
>
>I thought the PC/DC term was "items of electricity", anyway?
>

I spent all day in a rack.

anTonOMasia

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

* Doctroid wrote, On 06/14/2007 10:27 PM:
> In article <f4ssmg$g3r$1@news.datemas.de>, anTonOMasia <address@my.sig>
> wrote:
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....63b84621975cd8e

-> Glenn Knickerbocker <N...@bestweb.net>
-> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:12:15 GMT
-> Subject: Re: Meme damage can be reversed, with caveat
->
-> Crgre Jvyyneq wrote:
->> remember "NOBODY'S HOME" forever. Probably, huh?
->
-> I still can't listen to the New World Symphony, more than
20 years after
-> Annie Haslam recorded that horrible "Goin' Home, Goin'
Home, I Am Goin'
-> Home" song. And I'll always remember that "This is the
symphony that
-> Schubert wrote and never finished," which a friend
brought home from
-> music history class at Crane. But the most lasting
misassociation,
-> actually, came from my own imagination. Ever since the
first time I
-> heard the little alien tune in Close Encounters, all I
ever hear when
-> it's played is:
->
-> | |
-> | /
-> |-/-----ARE------------------
-> |/ WE
-> |-----------NOT--------------
-> |\
-> |-\---------------------------
-> | \ FRIENDS.
-> |--|--------------------------
->
-> ------------------------------
-> YOUR

I cannot read musical notation. but, hey,
THANKS FOR THE EARWORM!, Mr. Doctroid^2.

I'd retaliate with the tune infestation from earlier this
week, but I know that if I recall what is was, I'll have
lost again, dammit!

--

anTon O'Masia [ antonomasia <at> gmail <dot> com ]

Glenn Knickerbocker

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:14:41 -0400, anTonOMasia wrote:
>I think I've never seen a singing Usernet(tm) post before.
>Have you patented that outside of this chat room?

Prior art: <3BEAB36D.B8386EFD@bestweb.net>

not to mention a sig I haven't had an excuse to use in a while:

|¬R| http://users.bestweb.net/~notr
| |
|-/--------ARE---------------------
|/ WE
|---------------NOT----------------
|\
|-\--------------------------------
| | FRIENDS.
|--|-------------------------------

-----------------------------------
YOUR

(Also, thanks to Ina Valeria Doyle at story-lovers.com, I've finally
found the name of the song "It's the Loveliest Night of the Year" again.
Thanks to Bill Fuller at earlyjas.org, and Dee's Potpourri of Webs, I've
also learned why I could never find it in books of songs from the 1890s.)

Glenn Knickerbocker

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:14:44 -0700, JackShephard wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:10:29 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
>DeLaney) wrote:
> You gotta get in to get out... -Peter Gabriel

Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it depends on what you put
into it. --Hen3ry

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:62k373h21viqquh2cms8d42oul39h15det@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:12:04 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
> Is that twice now that you said you were leaving?

I haven't said I'm leaving at all. Learn to read and comprehend English.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
news:4sj373dejr1mprc6m7l2ri359cumfonu0k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:49:16 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
> From where, to where? Are you sure you understand how these chat rooms
> work?
>
> I think you mean "Usernet" (tm).

I know I mean Usenet. Look it up; it was probably before your time.

>
> As does your response to my use of these two well-established and
> commonplace terms. Really. Volumes.

"Banana" and "another banana" are two more "well-established and commonplace
terms", but neither of them describe a Usenet discussion group. Nor do
"usernet" and "chat room".

If you want to use the wrong words and make yourself look like an idiot, you
go right on ahead. It doesn't hurt my reputation in the slightest.

> I would have to first begin talking about "things electrical" before I
> could go back to doing so.
>
> BTW, are you sure you don't mean "electrical things"?

No, I didn't. Look up "postmodifying adjectives", and you, too, might learn
how to use them.

> Don't sweat it
> if that's what you meant. Lots of non-native speakers of English
> reverse the standard order of adjective/noun.

Your command of the language is pretty poor, isn't it?

Good job you're nothing but a sparks. If you did anything important, it
might be a problem for you.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"David DeLaney" <dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
news:slrnf73sb3.990.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> JackShephard <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote:
>
> "What, ne-ver?"
> C B G

Great. That'll be stuck in my head all day, now.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote in
message news:3eq373dg896p8a2gvjec85knouparuo51c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 00:49:16 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
> He didn't come from here either.

Hmm. So he actually talks kibollocks. That explains a lot.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote in
message news:qiq373lbj80eulfvikhv24plrc82lp34a8@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:09:18 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> After being all pissed off about others' usage, you call this crap
> proper? I say... bloody bullshit.

I say that's perfectly good English.

Not read much Shakespeare, eh?

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"JackShephard" <SomewhereOnTheLOSTIsland@Sumplaceintime.org> wrote in
message news:gop37355oevcin40dm4um3jo7tgmql6h9o@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:21:08 +0200, "Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl>
> wrote:
>
> http://imdb.com/title/tt0069280/

I can't believe you lot, and your crappy comprehension of English grammar.

Someone was corrected by one of you for writing "it was [whoever]".

That "correction" was fallacious, as the sentence "He was Kurt Vonnegut who
wrote Slaughterhouse Five" points out.

Nobody, like Nobody, would say "He was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote
Slaughterhouse Five".

The correct wording is "*It* was Kurt Vonnegut who wrote Slaughterhouse
Five", which one of you lot decided was incorrect.

Bloody sparkies. Go stick a plug on a fridge, or something. Make
yourselves useful.

Mark Wallace

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

"Glenn Knickerbocker" <NotR@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:ho2473tir40infbt1imdaj94bk417sa3ki@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:14:44 -0700, JackShephard wrote:
>
> Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it depends on what you put
> into it. --Hen3ry

Get much out of sewers, do you?

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

JackShephard wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:38:04 -0400, Doctroid <doctroid@mailinator.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Semantical bullshit regarding the word "write".
>
> So, you are saying that Steinbeck was not a "writer", but a "typer"?
>
> Idiot!
>
> So, it's OK if YOU say "rewrite", but I can't use the word "write"?
>
> Take a hike.

When you say "take a hike", do you mean "go out wandering, my knapsack
on my back", or just "stop writing|typing before my brane explodes"?

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

JackShephard wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:13:57 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> You've never seen "The Grapes of Wrath"?

We saw that high school Health Ed class.

It's about haemorrhoids, innit?

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-15, 3:25 am

JackShephard wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:05:26 -0600, Kevin S. Wilson <rescyou@spro.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> You must be. Such a thing does not exist. Usernet [tm] is NOT a chat forum.

IFYPFY

Also: Yes it is, times infinity!

> It is not a message forum. It most closest resembles a bulletin board
> forum, but even that description has its detractors.
>
> Yours, however, is WAY off the mark.

His detractor is off the mark?

Get detractor back on demark!!11!

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

JackShephard

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:47:08 +0930, Tonto Goldstein <"broady at mailshack
dot com"> wrote:

>JackShephard wrote:
>
>
>We saw that high school Health Ed class.
>
>It's about haemorrhoids, innit?

Is that Latin?

Is the plural for orifice, orifices or orifii?

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

Mark Wallace wrote:
> "Kevin S. Wilson" <rescyou@spro.net> wrote in message
> news:62k373h21viqquh2cms8d42oul39h15det@4ax.com...
>
> I haven't said I'm leaving at all. I'm going to learn to read and comprehend English.

IFYPFY

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

Tonto Goldstein

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

JackShephard wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:47:08 +0930, Tonto Goldstein <"broady at mailshack
> dot com"> wrote:
>
>
> Is that Latin?
>
> Is the plural for orifice, orifices or orifii?

It's "posse".

--

"Truth matters, God doesn't & life sucks."

-- House, M.D.

JackShephard

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:49:39 +0930, Tonto Goldstein <"broady at mailshack
dot com"> wrote:

>JackShephard wrote:
>
>
>It's "posse".

Ahh... well, I didn't get any posse last night...

Mark Edwards

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

[Steinbwck]

JackShephard wrote:

No cluons were harmed when Tonto Goldstein wrote:[color=darkred]
>We saw that high school Health Ed class.
>
>It's about haemorrhoids, innit?

No. Paris Hilton's **really bad** case of vaginal herpes.

Mark Edwards
--
Proof of Sanity Forged Upon Request

Don Salad

2007-06-15, 9:25 am

"Mark Wallace" <mwallace@dse.nl> wrote:
>
> Go back to talking of electrons, eh? I promise I won't harrass you
> with ridiculous and impossible statements about how electricity works.

IFYPFY.

Thanks,
Don