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| reqluq 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| Hi, I want to take up an online electrician course. How far do I need to go
if I want to qualify to install wiring etc. Any recommended online courses?
I don't want to do an engineers course; from what I've read in hear it
seeems it's all about electronic circuits than electrical. I already have
been installing pipes and wiring in my units so I have some knowledge that I
have gleaned from Black and Deckers Complete guide to home wiring.
tia
req
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| Palindrome 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| reqluq wrote:
> Hi, I want to take up an online electrician course. How far do I need to go
> if I want to qualify to install wiring etc. Any recommended online courses?
> I don't want to do an engineers course; from what I've read in hear it
> seeems it's all about electronic circuits than electrical. I already have
> been installing pipes and wiring in my units so I have some knowledge that I
> have gleaned from Black and Deckers Complete guide to home wiring.
> tia
> req
>
>
You need to say where in the World you are...
What "units"?
In the UK there is no such thing as "qualify to install wiring" courses,
in respect of domestic wiring. There are courses that cover the theory
and practice, but the idea is that companies are "qualified" to
self-certify domestic wiring and not individuals.
There is the C&G 2400, 2381, 2391 and other C&G that will cover the
theory and practice. I don't know of any that can be done by distance
learning.
But the Current Wiring Regulations and other books like Scaddan's Design
and Verification of Electrical Installations, et al - are possibly
better reading than "Black and Decker" - but I have never read that one..
--
Sue
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| reqluq 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| "Palindrome" <me9@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> reqluq wrote:
> You need to say where in the World you are...
Bahamas
> What "units"?
Apartment units, or in your case I guess; flats
> In the UK there is no such thing as "qualify to install wiring" courses,
> in respect of domestic wiring. There are courses that cover the theory
> and practice, but the idea is that companies are "qualified" to
> self-certify domestic wiring and not individuals.
Yes but the company has to send a *qualified* * someone* or a *qualified*
*individual* out to do the work, I want to be that qualified someone... that
qualified individual... that can do the work..even if I own the company. So
I need an course (preferably online) to qualify me.
Is it really that hard to understand what I am asking? I mean I appreciate
the help but sheesh.
> There is the C&G 2400, 2381, 2391 and other C&G that will cover the theory
> and practice. I don't know of any that can be done by distance learning.
Here are a thousand of them:
http://www.google.bs/search?hl=en&q...=Google+SearchI'm just looking for the best and most honest one.> But the Current Wiring Regulations and other books like Scaddan's Designand Verification of Electrical Installations, et a
l - are possibly betterreading than "Black and Decker" - but I have never read that one..Thanks I'll have a look.req
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| Palindrome 2007-07-22, 5:25 pm |
| reqluq wrote:
> "Palindrome" <me9@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:JSNoi.129533$%85.120409@fe05.news.easynews.com...
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> Bahamas
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> Apartment units, or in your case I guess; flats
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> Yes but the company has to send a *qualified* * someone* or a *qualified*
> *individual* out to do the work, I want to be that qualified someone... that
> qualified individual... that can do the work..even if I own the company. So
> I need an course (preferably online) to qualify me.
> Is it really that hard to understand what I am asking? I mean I appreciate
> the help but sheesh.
The system in the UK is, admittedly, wierd. A company has to have a
Qualified Supervisor. He has to meet certain standards of knowledge but
there are no *specific* courses that he has had to attend.
http://www.partp.co.uk/contractor/c...r_qualifsup.asp
The firm, with a Qualified Supervisor will then be a "competent person"
to do wiring:
http://www.partp.co.uk/contractor/c...r_qualifsup.asp
The actual person doing the wiring needs no qualifications at all,
specific or unspecific. He could have been at school the previous week..
The Qualified Supervisor supervises the work but doesn't necessarily do
any of it.
As an individual, with a company, you need to be the Qualified
Supervisor and then supervise your own work. Your company is the
"competent person".
So, you could pick any or all of the courses mentioned under Qualified
Supervisor. Even if you completed them all - you still wouldn't be a
Qualified Supervisor until you had been assessed. The courses, of
themselves, wouldn't make you a qualified person able to
self-certificate wiring. Only the actual assessment can do that.
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> Here are a thousand of them:
> http://www.google.bs/search?hl=en&q...=Google+SearchI'm just looking for the best and most honest one.> But the Current Wiring Regulations and other books like Scaddan's Designand Verification of Electrical Installations, et
al - are possibly betterreading than "Black and Decker" - but I have never read that one..Thanks I'll have a look.req
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| reqluq wrote:
> Hi, I want to take up an online electrician course. How far do I need to go
> if I want to qualify to install wiring etc. Any recommended online courses?
> I don't want to do an engineers course; from what I've read in hear it
> seeems it's all about electronic circuits than electrical. I already have
> been installing pipes and wiring in my units so I have some knowledge that I
> have gleaned from Black and Deckers Complete guide to home wiring.
> tia
> req
>
>
It is impossible for an on-line course to properly qualify
you. You need supervised hands-on to gain the skill to be
an electrician. My guess is that most places in the world
would require that. A friend of mine just got his license.
He told me that the requirement was 7 years apprenticeship
in New York state. Passing a test demonstrates that you
have the book-learning; the apprenticeship gives you the
skill, and proving that you have had that apprenticeship and
passing the test satisfies the licensing authorities.
An on-line course may give you the book learning, but no
way it will give you the skill.
Ed
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| reqluq 2007-07-22, 8:25 pm |
| "Palindrome" <me9@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> reqluq wrote:
>
> The system in the UK is, admittedly, wierd. A company has to have a
> Qualified Supervisor. He has to meet certain standards of knowledge but
> there are no *specific* courses that he has had to attend.
>
> http://www.partp.co.uk/contractor/c...r_qualifsup.asp
>
> The firm, with a Qualified Supervisor will then be a "competent person" to
> do wiring:
>
> http://www.partp.co.uk/contractor/c...r_qualifsup.asp
>
> The actual person doing the wiring needs no qualifications at all,
> specific or unspecific. He could have been at school the previous week..
> The Qualified Supervisor supervises the work but doesn't necessarily do
> any of it.
Ok I want to be the Qualified supervisor..I don't actually do the work here
either. I just show the hired hand where to open in the wall/dig etc..
> As an individual, with a company, you need to be the Qualified Supervisor
> and then supervise your own work. Your company is the "competent person".
Yes and they have to competently send out a qualified person to supervise
the work.
> So, you could pick any or all of the courses mentioned under Qualified
> Supervisor. Even if you completed them all - you still wouldn't be a
> Qualified Supervisor until you had been assessed. The courses, of
> themselves, wouldn't make you a qualified person able to self-certificate
> wiring. Only the actual assessment can do that.
I don't mind being assessed..
>
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| reqluq 2007-07-22, 8:25 pm |
| "ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> reqluq wrote:
>
> It is impossible for an on-line course to properly qualify
> you. You need supervised hands-on to gain the skill to be
> an electrician. My guess is that most places in the world
> would require that. A friend of mine just got his license.
> He told me that the requirement was 7 years apprenticeship
> in New York state. Passing a test demonstrates that you
> have the book-learning; the apprenticeship gives you the
> skill, and proving that you have had that apprenticeship and
> passing the test satisfies the licensing authorities.
> An on-line course may give you the book learning, but no
> way it will give you the skill.
>
> Ed
Thanks Ed but... if...you...read...my... post... you would see that I HAVE
been doing installations already, so I need some theory ...It's like: I can
repair computers but want to go and do the A+ just to have the qualification
or the paper so to speak...I don't need it because i can repair and build my
own or any other just as well as the next man..but would want the
certificate.
Once again; I know how to cut open walls; install pipes and pull wires;
install panels, run the corect gauge to the correct circuit breaker etc.
req
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| Being A QS is not that easy, a minimum of C&G2361/2,2381,2391 are required
and ideally 2400.
The NICEIC QS assessment is an all day one on one and you need an indepth
knowledge of electricial theory and practical experiance to pass.
It's not rocket science............yet
Gavin
"reqluq" <scredcropshonnospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:SRRoi.2588$0v4.1235@trndny01...
> Thanks Ed but... if...you...read...my... post... you would see that I HAVE
> been doing installations already, so I need some theory ...It's like: I
> can repair computers but want to go and do the A+ just to have the
> qualification or the paper so to speak...I don't need it because i can
> repair and build my own or any other just as well as the next man..but
> would want the certificate.
> Once again; I know how to cut open walls; install pipes and pull wires;
> install panels, run the corect gauge to the correct circuit breaker etc.
> req
>
>
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| reqluq wrote:
> "ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:SRRoi.2588$0v4.1235@trndny01...
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> Thanks Ed but... if...you...read...my... post... you would see that I HAVE
> been doing installations already, so I need some theory ...It's like: I can
> repair computers but want to go and do the A+ just to have the qualification
> or the paper so to speak...I don't need it because i can repair and build my
> own or any other just as well as the next man..but would want the
> certificate.
> Once again; I know how to cut open walls; install pipes and pull wires;
> install panels, run the corect gauge to the correct circuit breaker etc.
> req
>
>
>
I did read your post. Here's what I got from it:
You want to know what on-line course would qualify you
to install wiring. You've gleaned some knowledge from
"Black and Deckers Complete guide to home wiring." You
already have been installing pipes and wiring.
You conclude that you have the necessary skill and experience,
and just need more book learning.
Does the licensing authority in the Bahamas agree?
You seem to think you need to convince me - but whether I
think you are qualified or not has no weight with the licensing
authority there.
In New York state, you would need to be able to document
14,000 hours of supervised electrical work before you
could be licensed. I imagine that the Bahamas has a similar
requirement. The amount of time may be different, but it
would be frightening if they didn't have some means of
assessing one's skill and experience before granting a
license, or however they confer the status of "qualified".
So what I'm telling you is not my assessment of your
skill/experience/book learning/whatever. I'm telling you
that you need to demonstrate those things to the authorities
there, and giving you a comparison of how it is done in
New York.
Ed
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| reqluq 2007-07-23, 8:25 pm |
| "ehsjr" <ehsjr@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> reqluq wrote:
>
> I did read your post. Here's what I got from it:
> You want to know what on-line course would qualify you
> to install wiring. You've gleaned some knowledge from
> "Black and Deckers Complete guide to home wiring." You
> already have been installing pipes and wiring.
>
> You conclude that you have the necessary skill and experience,
> and just need more book learning.
>
> Does the licensing authority in the Bahamas agree?
Tha Bahamas doesn't give a shit man...set me up on the online course and be
done with it already mate
:-)
>
> You seem to think you need to convince me - but whether I
> think you are qualified or not has no weight with the licensing
> authority there.
>
> In New York state, you would need to be able to document
> 14,000 hours of supervised electrical work before you
> could be licensed. I imagine that the Bahamas has a similar
> requirement.
I not worried about tests and requirements..I'm gonna install regardless of
this..This is just for me personally.
>The amount of time may be different, but it
> would be frightening if they didn't have some means of
> assessing one's skill and experience before granting a
> license, or however they confer the status of "qualified".
> So what I'm telling you is not my assessment of your
> skill/experience/book learning/whatever. I'm telling you
> that you need to demonstrate those things to the authorities
> there, and giving you a comparison of how it is done in
> New York.
>
> Ed
I don't have any probs if I have to demonstre my abilities..but I don't have
to.. I will be doing my own projects and that of friends...If I want to hire
out then of course to be proper I would have to get some kind of local
license...look just forget about it.... I'm doing just fine..
Thanks all
req
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