|
Home > Archive > Electrical Engineering > August 2007 > Indians predated Newton 'discovery' by 250 years
You are viewing an archived Text-only version of the thread.
To view this thread in it's original format and/or if you want to reply to
this thread please [click here]
| Author |
Indians predated Newton 'discovery' by 250 years
|
|
| sarikavarma.tvm@gmail.com 2007-08-15, 3:25 am |
| A little known school of scholars in southwest India discovered one of
the founding principles of modern mathematics hundreds of years before
Newton - according to new research.
http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/n304.html
| |
|
| In article <1187163894.501595.3590@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
sarikavarma.tvm@gmail.com wrote:
> A little known school of scholars in southwest India discovered one of
> the founding principles of modern mathematics hundreds of years before
> Newton - according to new research.
>
> http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/n304.html
>
Interesting article. It's hard to prove who was the "first" to do
anything. Just like Columbus was not the "first" to "discover" the
Americas, it was what followed after his "disovery" tht is important.
The "discovery" of the math concept may have been the "first," but what
followed from it?
The Greeks and the Egyptions made all sorts of discoveries in antiquity
which were lost over the ages. I'm sure the ancestors of the Chinese did
the same.
After all, who made the best use of the ancient discoveries?
Al
| |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2007-08-15, 1:25 pm |
| Al wrote:
>
> In article <1187163894.501595.3590@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> sarikavarma.tvm@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Interesting article. It's hard to prove who was the "first" to do
> anything. Just like Columbus was not the "first" to "discover" the
> Americas, it was what followed after his "disovery" tht is important.
>
> The "discovery" of the math concept may have been the "first," but what
> followed from it?
>
> The Greeks and the Egyptions made all sorts of discoveries in antiquity
> which were lost over the ages. I'm sure the ancestors of the Chinese did
> the same.
>
> After all, who made the best use of the ancient discoveries?
>
> Al
It wasn't Archimedes' fault that people took his descriptions of methods
of integration (a precursor to modern intergral calculus), erased them
and used the paper for prayer books.
Perhaps we should ask who did the most to interfere with ancient
discoveries. Where would we be today if the development of these ideas
hadn't been side-tracked by superstitions for 2000 years?
--
Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
| Anonymous. 2007-08-16, 9:25 am |
|
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paulh@seanet.com> wrote in message
news:46C33C0B.FEEFA021@seanet.com...
>
> Perhaps we should ask who did the most to interfere with ancient
> discoveries. Where would we be today if the development of these ideas
> hadn't been side-tracked by superstitions for 2000 years?
The Christians were more intolerant than the Taliban. We should perhaps
remember that Christianity of today is not a new religion, it is the
continuation
of the religion that burns people at the stake.
When the Islamists were routed from Spain, suddenly a whole load of
mathematics
and science became available to the Christian world, accounting for such
arabic
words as "nadir" and "zenith" in our vocabulary. That science had been
suppressed
by the Christians.
However, I digress.
_ALL_ religiosity, without exception, is make-believe, and those adults who
so indulge are mental defectives. It is not unusual for children to have
imaginary
friends. It comes as somewhat of a shock to find some adults still talking
to
their imaginary friend.
| |
| Adrian C 2007-08-16, 9:25 am |
| Anonymous. wrote:
> _ALL_ religiosity, without exception, is make-believe, and those adults who
> so indulge are mental defectives. It is not unusual for children to have
> imaginary
> friends. It comes as somewhat of a shock to find some adults still talking
> to
> their imaginary friend.
>
One could answer, that posting to usenet is like talking to an imaginary
friend...
Er.... You.. Hmmm.. anyone out there?
;-)
--
Adrian C
| |
| Anonymous. 2007-08-16, 9:25 am |
| "Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message
news:5iij8tF3oaib7U1@mid.individual.net...
> Anonymous. wrote:
> One could answer, that posting to usenet is like talking to an imaginary
> friend...
> Er.... You.. Hmmm.. anyone out there?
You _COULD_ argue that if you didn't get a reply!
| |
| Adrian C 2007-08-16, 9:25 am |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
> Perhaps we should ask who did the most to interfere with ancient
> discoveries. Where would we be today if the development of these ideas
> hadn't been side-tracked by superstitions for 2000 years?
>
This will happen again. Superstitions will eventually cause the downfall
of mobile telephone masts, cessation of sales of microwave ovens, mass
poisoning due to untreated 'organic' food stuffs, failure to build more
electrical generation plants, inability of countries to defend
themselves against dangerous other countries etc...
This planet will only be green when mankind is annilated, and it seems
_that_ is the ultimate aim of the 'superstitions' brigade. And no, I'm
not talking religion.... No, it's something far worse.... ;-(
--
Adrian C
| |
|
| I didn't do much more than "glance" at the article.
BUT, it seems that this had do to with "infinite series."
I never associated Newton with "infinite series." Moreover, while
"infinite series" and limits (which aren't the same) are studied in most
Calc. courses, Calculus doesn't "depend" upon these series for most
"practical" applications.
But, hey, if it makes some Indians happy, go for it!
<sarikavarma.tvm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187163894.501595.3590@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> A little known school of scholars in southwest India discovered one of
> the founding principles of modern mathematics hundreds of years before
> Newton - according to new research.
>
> http://theanalystmagazine.com/pr/n304.html
>
| |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2007-08-16, 5:25 pm |
| "Anonymous." wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> _ALL_ religiosity, without exception, is make-believe, and those adults who
> so indulge are mental defectives. It is not unusual for children to have imaginary
> friends. It comes as somewhat of a shock to find some adults still talking
> to their imaginary friend.
Time spent talking to imaginary friends is time not available for
learning or creativity.
Aside from that, some religions take different points of view on
intellectual pursuits. Christianity starts off by banishing Adam and Eve
from the Garden of Eden for eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. A
particularly telling fable in terms of Christianity's attitude toward
learning, IMHO.
--
Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
|
| In article <46C4CA1D.CDD0C837@seanet.com>, paulh@seanet.com says...
> "Anonymous." wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Time spent talking to imaginary friends is time not available for
> learning or creativity.
>
> Aside from that, some religions take different points of view on
> intellectual pursuits. Christianity starts off by banishing Adam and Eve
> from the Garden of Eden for eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. A
> particularly telling fable in terms of Christianity's attitude toward
> learning, IMHO.
You're only a couple of thousand years behind in your sampling of the
tree of knowledge, eh?
--
Keith
| |
| Michael A. Terrell 2007-08-17, 3:25 am |
| krw wrote:
>
> You're only a couple of thousand years behind in your sampling of the
> tree of knowledge, eh?
'You know who *' apparently doesn't know the 'Tower of Babel' was
destroyed, and continues to babel.
* (Whatever 'its' screen name is this hour.)
--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.
Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
| |
| Carlton Stedman 2007-08-17, 1:25 pm |
| On Aug 17, 1:10 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> krw wrote:
>
>
> 'You know who *' apparently doesn't know the 'Tower of Babel' was
> destroyed, and continues to babel.
>
> * (Whatever 'its' screen name is this hour.)
>
> --
> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
> prove it.
> Member of DAV #85.
>
> Michael A. Terrell
> Central Florida
All this anti-religious talk really warms my heart. If you have not
seen it yet, make sure you catch "The Root of All Evil?" (two part
series on BBC) by Richard Dawkins. Two parts on google video, just
search for "root of all evil."
| |
|
| In article <46C52DDF.837B3AC8@earthlink.net>,
mike.terrell@earthlink.net says...
> krw wrote:
>
>
> 'You know who *' apparently doesn't know the 'Tower of Babel' was
> destroyed, and continues to babel.
>
> * (Whatever 'its' screen name is this hour.)
Nah, Paul may know nothing about history or religion be he is an
engineer, unlike "you know who".
--
Keith
| |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2007-08-18, 5:25 pm |
| Carlton Stedman wrote:
>
> On Aug 17, 1:10 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> All this anti-religious talk really warms my heart. If you have not
> seen it yet, make sure you catch "The Root of All Evil?" (two part
> series on BBC) by Richard Dawkins. Two parts on google video, just
> search for "root of all evil."
There's nothing wrong with religion itself. Just like there's nothing
wrong with Star Trek. Its just that neither is a suitable basis for ones
life philosophy. I mean, where would we be if we followed Kirk's example
by traveling around the galaxy, nailing hot alien women?
On second thought, maybe Star Trek does have some valuable life lessons.
;-)
--
Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
| Don Kelly 2007-08-19, 8:25 pm |
| ----------------------------
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paulh@seanet.com> wrote in message
news:46C4CA1D.CDD0C837@seanet.com...
> "Anonymous." wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Time spent talking to imaginary friends is time not available for
> learning or creativity.
>
> Aside from that, some religions take different points of view on
> intellectual pursuits. Christianity starts off by banishing Adam and Eve
> from the Garden of Eden for eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. A
> particularly telling fable in terms of Christianity's attitude toward
> learning, IMHO.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
Actually the Eden myth was old testament. i.e. pre-Christian.
That doesn't excuse stupidities and suppression made in the name (but not
the essential basis)of Christianity because of ignorance and/or greed (Hey,
I'm on top and I intend to stay there!).
By the way, I can't prove that God exists but it can't be proven that God
doesn't exist. Some choose to believe and others not to believe. It is not a
case of mental deficiency as claimed by anonymous. As to Arabic knowledge-
this was considered and filtered into Europe long before the Moors were
kicked out of Spain. The middle ages were not as benighted as has been
claimed and the Renaissance stepped backward in many ways as the classical
Greek and Roman knowledge was considered superior (it wasn't). Conservative
nostalgia of the times.
--
Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
| |
|
| Quote the whole verse, and correctly, please. It wasn't the tree of
knowledge. Your error makes it sound like this verse encompasses ALL
knowledge. It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So, God
wasn't against ALL knowledge just against the knowledge of Good and Evil.
This verse could easily turn into a long theological debate, which would be
far from the topic of this group, and a topic I don't wish to pursue. I
just wanted to humbly correct the gross generalization your statement made
about Christianity. God is not against obtaining knowledge at all. In
fact, He encourages it--read the book of Proverbs sometime.
Again, I'm not trying to raise anyone's ire. Keep in mind, it wasn't me who
turned this post into religious discussion. I just want to make sure that
the facts are correct, as all engineers inherently want to do.
Best regards,
Rob
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paulh@seanet.com> wrote in message
news:46C4CA1D.CDD0C837@seanet.com...
> "Anonymous." wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Time spent talking to imaginary friends is time not available for
> learning or creativity.
>
> Aside from that, some religions take different points of view on
> intellectual pursuits. Christianity starts off by banishing Adam and Eve
> from the Garden of Eden for eating fruit from the Tree of Knowledge. A
> particularly telling fable in terms of Christianity's attitude toward
> learning, IMHO.
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
| Anonymous. 2007-08-20, 3:27 am |
|
"Rob" <robnstef@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:rp7yi.14324$B25.8108@news01.roc.ny...
>
> Again, I'm not trying to raise anyone's ire. Keep in mind, it wasn't me
> who turned this post into religious discussion. I just want to make sure
> that the facts are correct, as all engineers inherently want to do.
There are no "facts" in make-believe.
| |
| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2007-08-20, 1:28 pm |
| Rob wrote:
>
> Quote the whole verse, and correctly, please. It wasn't the tree of
> knowledge. Your error makes it sound like this verse encompasses ALL
> knowledge. It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So, God
> wasn't against ALL knowledge just against the knowledge of Good and Evil.
> This verse could easily turn into a long theological debate, which would be
> far from the topic of this group, and a topic I don't wish to pursue. I
> just wanted to humbly correct the gross generalization your statement made
> about Christianity. God is not against obtaining knowledge at all. In
> fact, He encourages it--read the book of Proverbs sometime.
How can an imaginary person be for or against anything?
OK, so its the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That still
suggests that Christianity discourages any attempt to understand
morality. The alternative being that morality will be dictated to the
believers by the high priests. Same principle as totalitarian
governments. We tell you what to do and then you do it, no questions
asked.
--
Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
| Don Kelly 2007-08-21, 3:25 am |
| Unfortunately there is a great deal of truth to what you say. However, it is
not Christianity that discourages progress but the people who have a vested
interest in their position and perks (and ignorance). That is not
Christianity even though it parades under the name of Christianity (or
Marxism or Mammon- take your pick).
Anyhow this ends my participation on this issue in a technically oriented
forum- I don't want to fight with locked in viewpoints on either side.
--
Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
----------------------------
"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paulh@seanet.com> wrote in message
news:46C9C01E.D4B625E@seanet.com...
> Rob wrote:
>
> How can an imaginary person be for or against anything?
>
> OK, so its the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That still
> suggests that Christianity discourages any attempt to understand
> morality. The alternative being that morality will be dictated to the
> believers by the high priests. Same principle as totalitarian
> governments. We tell you what to do and then you do it, no questions
> asked.
>
>
> --
> Paul Hovnanian paul@hovnanian.com
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> There is no place like 127.0.0.1.
| |
| Anonymous. 2007-08-21, 3:25 am |
|
"Don Kelly" <dhky@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:zSsyi.75480$rX4.51091@pd7urf2no...
> Unfortunately there is a great deal of truth to what you say. However, it
> is not Christianity that discourages progress but the people who have a
> vested interest in their position and perks (and ignorance). That is not
> Christianity even though it parades under the name of Christianity (or
> Marxism or Mammon- take your pick).
> Anyhow this ends my participation on this issue in a technically oriented
> forum- I don't want to fight with locked in viewpoints on either side.
Au contraire.
Christianity is a make-believe fiction in the minds of all those
who profess it.
There's no fight in dispelling arrant nonsense.
| |
|
| In article <fae461$avh$1@aioe.org>, me@privacy.net says...
>
> "Don Kelly" <dhky@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:zSsyi.75480$rX4.51091@pd7urf2no...
>
> Au contraire.
No.
> Christianity is a make-believe fiction in the minds of all those
> who profess it.
What you say here has nothing to do with what was said above.
> There's no fight in dispelling arrant nonsense.
There is no fight with the bigoted.
--
Keith
| |
| Don Kelly 2007-08-22, 3:25 am |
|
"Anonymous." <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:fae461$avh$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Don Kelly" <dhky@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:zSsyi.75480$rX4.51091@pd7urf2no...
>
> Au contraire.
>
> Christianity is a make-believe fiction in the minds of all those
> who profess it.
>
> There's no fight in dispelling arrant nonsense.
>
Most athiest do put up a more rational argument for their position.
Since you haven't presented anything but an opinion without any reasoning, I
can happily ignore you.
bye
--
Don Kelly dhky@shawcross.ca
remove the X to answer
----------------------------
| |
|
| How the hell has this become a religious topic ?I bet Prehistoric Man
experienced this way before recorded - who gives a damn....Indians may
have discovered pain therapy too...
For the guy that defends the Taliban so much.. go over there and become
one of them, then come write & tell us about Christians and
Muslims...don't forget to take your women & children with you.
Argueing like we just burned another Heretic Witch at The Stake
yesterday.
Was this on the news????
Is it Written???
| |
|
| Thu, Aug 16, 2007, 10:34am (EDT+5) From: email@here.invalid (Adrian=A0C)
Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
Perhaps we should ask who did the most to interfere with ancient
discoveries. Where would we be today if the development of these ideas
hadn't been side-tracked by superstitions for 2000 years?
This will happen again. Superstitions will eventually cause the downfall
of mobile telephone masts, cessation of sales of microwave ovens, mass
poisoning due to untreated 'organic' food stuffs, failure to build more
electrical generation plants, inability of countries to defend
themselves against dangerous other countries etc...
This planet will only be green when mankind is annilated, and it seems
_that_ is the ultimate aim of the 'superstitions' brigade. And no, I'm
not talking religion.... No, it's something far worse.... ;-(
--
Adrian C
-----------------
This is like the Episode from Star Trek were Capt. Kirk shows up to save
a Race of Simple People from the Klingons far off on a distant planet -
Their weapons didn't work baffling Both sides.......Mortal Mind can only
see so much of a situation - The Errors are only real in this mind., The
Reality is Pure Mind void from Error . . . . why swet it ? it only makes
things seem worse....
* If we were to go back & start over from scratch it will seem right.,
but ony by leaving behind what we've known or possessed.
Knowledge is Power ~ Wisdom is Truth.
|
|
|
|
|