Electrical Engineering - Scams and Enablers..

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Scams and Enablers..

sl-hill@cox.net

2007-09-22, 5:25 pm

I defer the discussion of whether or not the devices have any
usefulness to the average consumer (I'm quite sure that they don't),
and instead point out the lack of professionalism of the average
"Professional Electrical Contractor" as evidenced in:

http://www.electriciantalk.com/showthread.php?p=8867

Since the above posts show clearly that the average electrician will
install such devices, probably without clearly informing their
customer of their uselessness, it is no wonder that such scams
continue to be perpetrated upon the public.

It seems, from my point of view, that the "professionals" a consumer
would employ to install such a device (not the engineers to who I am
speaking here) are scamming the public just as the sellers are.

So perhaps the real engineers here should be warning those who travel
this way in search of more information, that both the sellers and the
contractors will be very happy to take your money. Professionals?
Phooey!!!

Politically Incorrect

2007-09-26, 9:25 am

<sl-hill@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1190496750.744134.171340@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
I defer the discussion of whether or not the devices have any
usefulness to the average consumer (I'm quite sure that they don't),
and instead point out the lack of professionalism of the average
"Professional Electrical Contractor" as evidenced in:

http://www.electriciantalk.com/showthread.php?p=8867

Since the above posts show clearly that the average electrician will
install such devices, probably without clearly informing their
customer of their uselessness, it is no wonder that such scams
continue to be perpetrated upon the public.

It seems, from my point of view, that the "professionals" a consumer
would employ to install such a device (not the engineers to who I am
speaking here) are scamming the public just as the sellers are.

So perhaps the real engineers here should be warning those who travel
this way in search of more information, that both the sellers and the
contractors will be very happy to take your money. Professionals?
Phooey!!!
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I've been on the internet since before Al Gore invented it. In that time I
have run into people who know what they are talking about, people who think
they know what they are talking about, and people who know something about
something and therefore think that they know everything about everything.

The fact is, that there has been research in inductive motors and reactive
power going back 25 years at least. A simple Google search using the terms
"reactive power" will turn up plenty of information explaining the concept,
how it works, and how power is optimized by the placement of capacitors in
electrical systems where there is inductive load. (a few links at end of
post)

Now, folks like you, who think you know everything about something,
apparently have done no research at all, and yet here you are, loudly
proclaiming this a scam, despite the research by NASA, the Department of
Energy, the university of Illinois, and many others.

First off, do some research. Start reading and educate yourselves as to the
research and what is being claimed and how these devices work. Learn what
the claims are, and learn what is not claimed. These devices work with
inductive motors. They do no work with television sets, electric stoves and
ovens, incandescent lights (and have little if any effect with fluorescent
lighting ), toasters, etc. The DO work with electric motors. And THAT is
where the power reduction and savings come from. Reading the research will
tell you that.

You COULD read up on reactive power. OR you can continue to be jackasses,
braying and hee hawing and kicking up at something that "seems" to you to be
a fraud even though you have done no research in the matter. I suggest it is
YOU who are the fraud.

Educational links:

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/industr...dfs/mc60405.pdf

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/industr...ower_factor.pdf

http://www.pserc.wisc.edu/Sauer_Rea..._Sep%202003.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reacti..._apparent_power

http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electric...s/AC/AC_11.html

http://www.energyvortex.com/energyd...tive_power.html

http://www.leonardo-energy.org/drup...ppt?download#14

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_11/2.html

http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h10.../h1011v3_69.htm

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0930671.html

http://www.control.com/thread/1026238188

http://www.the-power-factor-site.com/

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