Electrical Engineering - Fuel Reformers for Home Power or Cars & Tractors

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Fuel Reformers for Home Power or Cars & Tractors

narivasant@gmail.com

2007-09-26, 8:25 pm

If you are interested in building and experimenting with fuel
reformers for much better fuel efficiency there is a group of
experimenters sharing information at:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VortexHeatExchanger/

Fuel reformers are used in the oil industry to make hydrogen. Small
units can be built for a car or genset and the refomer's hydrogen
content output burns more efficiently giving the equivalent of a big
octane boost. Also the waste heat of the engine gets utilized by the
reformer so it is no longer wasted.

This group is for experimenters only.

Fuel + steam can be cracked with engine exhaust heat plus a catalyst
or a plasma or both together.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...t_001189087087/

This technology has been around a long time but car makers won't use
it.

Here are some examples:

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3717129

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3918412

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4037568

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4059076

http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4108114

Here are many more patents ignored by car makers:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...s_001188496524/

Naresh

clare at snyder.on.ca

2007-09-26, 8:25 pm

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:26:58 -0700, narivasant@gmail.com wrote:

>If you are interested in building and experimenting with fuel
>reformers for much better fuel efficiency there is a group of
>experimenters sharing information at:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VortexHeatExchanger/
>
>Fuel reformers are used in the oil industry to make hydrogen. Small
>units can be built for a car or genset and the refomer's hydrogen
>content output burns more efficiently giving the equivalent of a big
>octane boost. Also the waste heat of the engine gets utilized by the
>reformer so it is no longer wasted.
>
>This group is for experimenters only.
>
>Fuel + steam can be cracked with engine exhaust heat plus a catalyst
>or a plasma or both together.
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...t_001189087087/
>
>This technology has been around a long time but car makers won't use
>it.
>
>Here are some examples:
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3717129
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3918412
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4037568
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4059076
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4108114
>
>Here are many more patents ignored by car makers:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...s_001188496524/
>
>Naresh

Thermal reformers, along with vapour carbs CAN work - but not for long
on today's gasoline.
The early vapour carbs worked fine on "straight run" gas, but
mysteriously went away when lead and other additives were added to the
duel in the thirties?. No fuel company conspiracy - just "progress"

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Robert Swinney

2007-09-26, 8:25 pm

Now that this inane and totally ridiculous thread has been opened, I wonder how long it'll be before
we get around to the 100 mpg carburetor -- you know the one the oil companies have been squashing
since the 1920's. Oh! Wait -- I think I saw some on ebay just the other day.

Bob Swinney
<clare at snyder.on.ca> wrote in message news:retlf39nv5hn4iceqb87k6vgr06icqqv93@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:26:58 -0700, narivasant@gmail.com wrote:

>If you are interested in building and experimenting with fuel
>reformers for much better fuel efficiency there is a group of
>experimenters sharing information at:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VortexHeatExchanger/
>
>Fuel reformers are used in the oil industry to make hydrogen. Small
>units can be built for a car or genset and the refomer's hydrogen
>content output burns more efficiently giving the equivalent of a big
>octane boost. Also the waste heat of the engine gets utilized by the
>reformer so it is no longer wasted.
>
>This group is for experimenters only.
>
>Fuel + steam can be cracked with engine exhaust heat plus a catalyst
>or a plasma or both together.
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...t_001189087087/
>
>This technology has been around a long time but car makers won't use
>it.
>
>Here are some examples:
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3717129
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US3918412
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4037568
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4059076
>
>http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US4108114
>
>Here are many more patents ignored by car makers:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/...s_001188496524/
>
>Naresh

Thermal reformers, along with vapour carbs CAN work - but not for long
on today's gasoline.
The early vapour carbs worked fine on "straight run" gas, but
mysteriously went away when lead and other additives were added to the
duel in the thirties?. No fuel company conspiracy - just "progress"

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

narivasant@gmail.com

2007-09-27, 9:25 am

> Thermal reformers, along with vapour carbs CAN work - but not for long
> on today's gasoline.

I used to think that also because I had heard it so many times and it
is true that additives poison many catalysts but then I found out many
companies and universities have developed new catalysts as well as
plasma fuel reformers. There are fully developed reformers for
gasoline and reformers for diesel for years now but the car makers
just keep studying them and never actually use them. Many have been
developed to supply on board hydrogen to fuel cells but the hydrogen
could just as easily go to an internal combustion engine. Some
reformers have been designed specifically for internal combustion
engines.

This one was fully developed for 3 years now and still not being used
in cars: http://www.greencarcongress.com/200...meritor_cl.html

Another example of the plasma type fuel reformer technology:
http://mechse.uiuc.edu/research/glumac/NSFW/Fridman.pdf

More of the same: http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicle...er_bromberg.pdf

Here's an old article of new catalysts developed for years now:
http://www.eurekalert.org/features/...l-agr060302.php

Similar: http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/Fro.../2002/d3ee.html

It is not that hard to make your own reformer and use it on your own
car and that is what we work on at:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/VortexHeatExchanger/

That group works in particular and a plasma type reformer in which the
plasma is self generating from the dry fuel vapours + dry steam moving
through a temperature gradient. The circulating ionized vapours
generate a plasma pinch and that causes and temperature spike and that
assists in reforming the mix. But people can make a powered plasma
reformer themselves also. It is not that hard. People can also make
their own catalytic reformer using newer catalysts. It is not that
hard and gives much better fuel economy.

Naresh

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