Electrical Engineering - Re: Most "correct" way to draw a battery cell in an electronic circuit diagram?

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Re: Most "correct" way to draw a battery cell in an electronic circuit diagram?

newsey

2008-03-22, 8:25 pm

Hello hostile

You're right about reading too much into this.
The universally recognised symbol for your purposes is the two line symbol,
one being noticeably longer than the other.

Also I'm with "nospam" on this one I've never seen a wholly different
symbolic representation of a cell.
I think you've a 'typo' below, one symbol is a cell more than one symbol
joined with a dashed line is a battery.

If you wanted to be dead clever you'd draw one symbol for each cell so you
could have a drawing with 240 symbols on it for a 480v battery!!
The normal accepted method is to abbreviate is with the dashed line (length
at your discretion) and get the message about the actual voltage by writing
it near to your battery symbol.

Interestingly I've never come across an abbreviated drawing symbol for cells
in parallel only for batteries in parallel.
Although in industry cells in parallel are quite rare to the point that I've
never come across any.

Newsey

<hostilefork@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all!
>
> This might seem like a somewhat frivolous question, but I am trying to
> find the authoritative way of drawing a battery "cell" in a circuit
> diagram.
>
> I found references suggesting that the version with two lines (one
> longer than the other, and a gap between) is a "cell". More than one
> of these together is a "battery":
>
> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm
>
> Apparently people often use "cell" when they meant "battery"... but
> I'd like to draw a cell in this case. So I'm only using two lines in
> my picture.
>
> The next question I have is in regards to whether the shorter line
> should ideally be *thicker* than the longer one. I see that used
> fairly often, but not always:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/ks3bit.../sci_dia_51.gif
>
> I'd like to mark the positive side with a "+", and I was going to put
> it to the top right. Then I was going to leave off the "-" on the
> bottom. Is that just as good as anything else, or is there a favorite
> amongst EEs?
>
> Thank you for any and all feedback, I know this is a little esoteric
> and most likely the answer is "it depends...", but if there's a
> consensus I'd love to know it...
>
> Regards,
> http://hostilefork.com

Archimedes' Lever

2008-03-22, 9:25 pm

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:31:47 GMT, "newsey" <disposable1@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:

>Hello hostile
>
>You're right about reading too much into this.
>The universally recognised symbol for your purposes is the two line symbol,
>one being noticeably longer than the other.

That is the designation for a cell. A battery would be two or more
"sets" of said configuration seriesed together (as it relates to the line
drawing).
>
>Also I'm with "nospam" on this one I've never seen a wholly different
>symbolic representation of a cell.

Sometimes a device drawing will "containerize" the device with a
"perimeter" type line. Like the "cloud" around a cartoon dialog.

As far as the drawing goes, a "battery" can be inside a circle.

>I think you've a 'typo' below, one symbol is a cell more than one symbol
>joined with a dashed line is a battery.

There does not have to be a joining line. The dashed line in this
drawing is there merely to show that subsequent "cell sections" are to be
placed proximal to the preceding. The gap should be the same as the gap
between the lines that comprise the "cell" drawing.

Note also that it has been argued that the term "battery" is a correct
reference for even a single celled utilization.

For the drawing, however, (as well as my personal viewpoint) this site
appears correct.

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/symbol.htm

>
>If you wanted to be dead clever you'd draw one symbol for each cell so you
>could have a drawing with 240 symbols on it for a 480v battery!!

Actually, we have more brains than that usually.

Two arrays of twelve segments for the drawing, each then representing
ten units, of course.

If you want to do things, taking ten times as long, that's your choice.

Oh, one could also draw a simple, two, three, four, or five segment
"battery" drawing, and be done with it. All solutions would be correct.
None would be incorrect. But your solution is the worst, so I'd say that
you can't be real bright.

>The normal accepted method is to abbreviate is with the dashed line (length
>at your discretion) and get the message about the actual voltage by writing
>it near to your battery symbol.

Yeah... we call it a "description".

>Interestingly I've never come across an abbreviated drawing symbol for cells
>in parallel only for batteries in parallel.
>Although in industry cells in parallel are quite rare to the point that I've
>never come across any.

The word for today is "surge".

Ever seen a capacitor bank?

>Newsey
>

I note that top posted. You want to follow conventions in electronics,
but fuck Usenet?

No. Not only that, but you pulled a TOFU as well.

Porky Taylor

2008-03-24, 9:25 am

"The Anal Man" <disposable1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hello hostile
>
> You're right about reading too much into this.
> The universally recognised symbol for your purposes is the two line
> symbol, one being noticeably longer than the other.
>
> Also I'm with "nospam" on this one I've never seen a wholly different
> symbolic representation of a cell.
> I think you've a 'typo' below, one symbol is a cell more than one symbol
> joined with a dashed line is a battery.
>
> If you wanted to be dead clever you'd draw one symbol for each cell so you
> could have a drawing with 240 symbols on it for a 480v battery!!
> The normal accepted method is to abbreviate is with the dashed line
> (length at your discretion) and get the message about the actual voltage
> by writing it near to your battery symbol.
>
> Interestingly I've never come across an abbreviated drawing symbol for
> cells in parallel only for batteries in parallel.
> Although in industry cells in parallel are quite rare to the point that
> I've never come across any.
>
> Newsey
>
>
> <hostilefork@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:053109f2-f232-4e87-9de1-6822f21d9edc@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>

Arse

RoyLFuchs

2008-03-24, 1:25 pm

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:04:35 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
<Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:

>Arse
>

You are the XXX, dumbfuck. To quote 67 lines just for your one liner
retarded response. You're a goddamned Usenet idiot.

Porky Taylor

2008-03-24, 1:25 pm

"RoyLFuchs" <RoyLFuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:04:35 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
> <Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> You are the XXX, dumbfuck. To quote 67 lines just for your one liner
> retarded response. You're a goddamned Usenet idiot.

are you into titwanks young lad ?

RoyLFuchs

2008-03-24, 1:25 pm

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:41:27 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
<Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:

>
>"RoyLFuchs" <RoyLFuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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>
>are you into titwanks young lad ?
>

Fuck you, you fucking Usenet retard.

I've got nine inches of young lad to go up in your XXX with, little
girl.

Porky Taylor

2008-03-25, 9:25 am

"RoyLFuchs" <RoyLFuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:41:27 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
> <Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fuck you, you fucking Usenet retard.
>
> I've got nine inches of young lad to go up in your XXX with, little
> girl.

I dont think you would touch the sides with that little stub my boy.

RoyLFuchs

2008-03-25, 5:25 pm

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:26:34 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
<Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:

>
>"RoyLFuchs" <RoyLFuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
>news:snqfu3tg0n1in9unqffl80vr9hrrhijr89@4ax.com...
>
>I dont think you would touch the sides with that little stub my boy.
>
Only because your nappy headed ho XXX has been fucked so many tines
that I would need to strap a 2x4 to my XXX to keep from falling in past
the event horizon that comprises your skanky orifice.

Porky Taylor

2008-03-25, 5:25 pm

"RoyLFuchs" <RoyLFuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:26:34 -0000, "Porky Taylor"
> <Porky@SausageSuit.com> wrote:
>
> Only because your nappy headed ho XXX has been fucked so many tines
> that I would need to strap a 2x4 to my XXX to keep from falling in past
> the event horizon that comprises your skanky orifice.

I have got a big ol shitter lad.

http://www.detroithardcore.com/lensman.jpg

wrenched open to the hilt my boy!!!

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