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RoHS PB concentration
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| Geoff C 2005-11-09, 11:21 pm |
| If our company sells a machine that weighs 100kg, does that mean as long as
we have less than 100 grams of lead total in the solder, that this passes
RoHS regs?
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| Mike Harrison 2005-11-10, 6:21 am |
| On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:34:02 GMT, Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com> wrote:
>If our company sells a machine that weighs 100kg, does that mean as long as
>we have less than 100 grams of lead total in the solder, that this passes
>RoHS regs?
No - it applies to concentrations in 'homogenous materials'.
However if your product is a 100kg machine it may be outside the scope of the regulations.
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| Ben Mack 2005-11-10, 7:21 am |
| In article <Xns970A893027BE6testnospamcom@61.8.0.29>, Geoff C
<notinterestedin@spam.com> writes
>If our company sells a machine that weighs 100kg, does that mean as long as
>we have less than 100 grams of lead total in the solder, that this passes
>RoHS regs?
<tongue-in-cheek-mode> We did consider putting heavy weights in our
products to get around RoHS. The best material we could find for the
weights was.... lead ;-)
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| Geoff C 2005-11-10, 6:21 pm |
| Mike Harrison <mike@whitewing.co.uk> wrote in
news:g156n198lbh59a97nql7uoh72r9elh6ja4@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:34:02 GMT, Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com>
> wrote:
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> No - it applies to concentrations in 'homogenous materials'.
> However if your product is a 100kg machine it may be outside the scope
> of the regulations.
In suspected this, and our machine is measuring equipment so is exempt in
Europe at least. How long for I don't know but I suspect everything may
have to comply in a few years. Asian countries probably will not have
exemptions. Don't yet know what to do with NOS microprocessors which we
have several years stock of.
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| Paul Hovnanian P.E. 2005-11-10, 11:21 pm |
| Ben Mack wrote:
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> In article <Xns970A893027BE6testnospamcom@61.8.0.29>, Geoff C
> <notinterestedin@spam.com> writes
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> <tongue-in-cheek-mode> We did consider putting heavy weights in our
> products to get around RoHS. The best material we could find for the
> weights was.... lead ;-)
Consider using depleted uranium. ;-)
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| Mike Harrison 2005-11-11, 8:21 am |
| On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:11:07 GMT, Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com> wrote:
>Mike Harrison <mike@whitewing.co.uk> wrote in
>news:g156n198lbh59a97nql7uoh72r9elh6ja4@4ax.com:
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>In suspected this, and our machine is measuring equipment so is exempt in
>Europe at least. How long for I don't know but I suspect everything may
>have to comply in a few years. Asian countries probably will not have
>exemptions.
>Don't yet know what to do with NOS microprocessors which we
>have several years stock of.
Ebay.
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| Matt Wilson 2005-11-13, 3:21 pm |
| Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com> wrote in
sci.engr.electrical.compliance:
> In suspected this, and our machine is measuring equipment so is exempt
> in Europe at least. How long for I don't know but I suspect everything
> may have to comply in a few years.
No one knows other than it's 2008 or 2009 all depending on the EU
commission.
Just because you are exempt does not mean that you shouldn't think about
RoHS and the implications on parts made & used in your machine.
It is likely assembly firms will not touch lead processes once they have
changed to lead-free because of the problem of contamination.
> Asian countries probably will not
> have exemptions.
At the moment China has no exemptions and is also implimenting RoHS in
July 06.
>Don't yet know what to do with NOS microprocessors
> which we have several years stock of.
You can still sell them and use them as components. RoHS is only for
'completed' products placed on the market.
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| Geoff C 2005-11-13, 9:21 pm |
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> You can still sell them and use them as components. RoHS is only for
> 'completed' products placed on the market.
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So we could , for example, socket the micros on an otherwise lead-free PCB?
The micros will not be obsolete for us for many years.
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| Matt Wilson 2005-11-15, 7:21 pm |
| Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com> wrote in
sci.engr.electrical.compliance:
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> So we could , for example, socket the micros on an otherwise lead-free
> PCB? The micros will not be obsolete for us for many years.
>
Unfortunately not, the micros need to be lead free in any product covered
by RoHS (category 1-7 & 10) placed on the market in the EU after 30th
June 2006.
You can still use your leaded stock on equipment in use prior to 1st July
2006 and can sell them as components (not completed product) after 30th
June 2006.
Or use them in products for markets that haven't adopted RoHS, or make a
category 8 (medical devices) or 9 (Monitoring and control instruments)
product which are exempt for the moment.
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| Geoff C 2005-11-15, 8:21 pm |
| Matt Wilson <fzgc@userot21andtakethistextoutmnzobbqyr.qrzba.pb.hx> wrote
in news:Xns970FE854A98C7zamboodlenewstoken@158.152.254.254:
> Geoff C <notinterestedin@spam.com> wrote in
> sci.engr.electrical.compliance:
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> Unfortunately not, the micros need to be lead free in any product
> covered by RoHS (category 1-7 & 10) placed on the market in the EU
> after 30th June 2006.
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> You can still use your leaded stock on equipment in use prior to 1st
> July 2006 and can sell them as components (not completed product)
> after 30th June 2006.
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> Or use them in products for markets that haven't adopted RoHS, or make
> a category 8 (medical devices) or 9 (Monitoring and control
> instruments) product which are exempt for the moment.
>
We are category 8 and 9. Our problem is designs last for 10 years or
more. Things may change in 2009, but our equipment has 70 man tears of
firmware tied up in micros which are end-of-life.
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| Wolfgang Maurer 2005-11-18, 12:21 pm |
| The problem is that every little peace of your system must pass the
RoHS limits... exept you are in the exeptions.
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