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HELP-NFPA 110 EPS Test Requirement
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| 4SimplerTimes 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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Can anyone provide me with the details on the Genset test requirements to
meet the NFPA 110 protocols. We have a hospital to start up and the
inspector through a monkey wrench in and is requiring us to meet the 2002
specifications. Our book is old-very old. Have new one on order but will
not get here in time. Specific info needed is the load bank requirements.
Any other info would be appreciated
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| "4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote:
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>Help
>
>Can anyone provide me with the details on the Genset test requirements to
>meet the NFPA 110 protocols. We have a hospital to start up and the
>inspector through a monkey wrench in and is requiring us to meet the 2002
>specifications. Our book is old-very old. Have new one on order but will
>not get here in time. Specific info needed is the load bank requirements.
>Any other info would be appreciated
>
Don't see why that is a "Monkey wrench" You should have been
EXPECTING to meet current standards. Especially for a hospital.
The NFPA standards are available electronically, with immediate
delivery. If you need help getting the test done, email me at
NOTjim.klessig@eticonformity.com removing the NOT and I will put
you inconact with our closest office.
jk
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| 4SimplerTimes 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
| "jk" <klessig@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote:
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> Don't see why that is a "Monkey wrench" You should have been
> EXPECTING to meet current standards. Especially for a hospital.
>
> The NFPA standards are available electronically, with immediate
> delivery. If you need help getting the test done, email me at
> NOTjim.klessig@eticonformity.com removing the NOT and I will put
> you inconact with our closest office.
>
> jk
The Monkey Wrench is that we were originally informed and EXPECTED that the
test was to be to NFPA 70B and the JCAHO standards, which if memeory serves
me only requires a 2 hour load bank, I am not in my office and don't have he
specifics in front of me. Thanks for the offer of help but we're perfectly
capable of getting the job done. I simply needed to know what changes took
place in the 2002, as I said my issue is terribly out of date.
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| Ed Price 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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"4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "jk" <klessig@cox.net> wrote in message
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> The Monkey Wrench is that we were originally informed and EXPECTED that
> the test was to be to NFPA 70B and the JCAHO standards, which if memeory
> serves me only requires a 2 hour load bank, I am not in my office and
> don't have he specifics in front of me. Thanks for the offer of help but
> we're perfectly capable of getting the job done. I simply needed to know
> what changes took place in the 2002, as I said my issue is terribly out of
> date.
>
It's always a bit puzzling, when people claim "they are perfectly capable of
getting the job done", yet they attempt major ventures with tools and
standards that are "terribly out of date." If there's any "Monkey" in this
issue, I don't think it's the inspector, as he seems to be just trying to
hold your work to the current industry standard. I suggest this is a good
"wake-up call" that points out a major weakness in your business; how can
you possibly accurately quote and enter into contract to sell goods that may
or may not be in compliance with prevailing legal and/or industry standards?
Your current practices almost guarantee non-compliant products and leave you
wide-open to liability claims.
What you don't know can kill you.
--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA
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| 4SimplerTimes 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
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> "4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:7i6ke.6457$fd.1728@trnddc03...
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> It's always a bit puzzling, when people claim "they are perfectly capable
> of getting the job done", yet they attempt major ventures with tools and
> standards that are "terribly out of date." If there's any "Monkey" in this
> issue, I don't think it's the inspector, as he seems to be just trying to
> hold your work to the current industry standard. I suggest this is a good
> "wake-up call" that points out a major weakness in your business; how can
> you possibly accurately quote and enter into contract to sell goods that
> may or may not be in compliance with prevailing legal and/or industry
> standards? Your current practices almost guarantee non-compliant products
> and leave you wide-open to liability claims.
>
> What you don't know can kill you.
>
> --
> Ed
> WB6WSN
> El Cajon, CA USA
>
>
Once again some did not read. THE ORIGINAL SPEC WAS NFPA 70B, NOT 110,
which I have a current copy of on my shelf. It was the inspector on the
project who erred, not I, in point of fact I am the one who requested that
he confirm his original information and by out of date I simply mean my last
issue is the 1999-110. It never ceases to amaze me these days how people
WHO DO NOT KNOW OUR BUSINESS STRUCTURE, can make judgments they are not in a
position to even be aware of. Instead of responding to the simple request,
"What changes were made?" they have to cast about with garbage. If you
can't offer the assistance or you don't know then as my old Grandmother used
to say stay out of the conversation. Damn you people are some of the most
arrogant bunch I have run across in years. This group used to be far more
congenial in the old days, Frankly I'm sorry I even bothered with it. But
I guess my naiveté, got in the way, my daddy raised me that when someone ask
for help if you can render it then jump to the front of the pack, something
I've done all my life I guess times they have changed. I'll know better
next time.
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| "4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote:
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>Once again some did not read. THE ORIGINAL SPEC WAS NFPA 70B, NOT 110,
>which I have a current copy of on my shelf.
If it is not to your spec, you have perfect cause to delay until you
get those documents.
quote:
> It was the inspector on the
>project who erred, not I, in point of fact I am the one who requested that
>he confirm his original information and by out of date I simply mean my last
>issue is the 1999-110.
Your words were "Our book is old - very old"
quote:
> It never ceases to amaze me these days how people
>WHO DO NOT KNOW OUR BUSINESS STRUCTURE, can make judgments they are not in a
>position to even be aware of.
Perhaps because they might not want to be on the table of a "low bid
hospital"
quote:
> Instead of responding to the simple request,
>"What changes were made?"
Your request was not that, but for
"
quote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> they have to cast about with garbage. If you
>can't offer the assistance or you don't know then as my old Grandmother used
>to say stay out of the conversation. Damn you people are some of the most
>arrogant bunch I have run across in years.
POT-KETTLE-BLACK
quote:
> This group used to be far more
>congenial in the old days,
Which group??? You cross posted to 3.
quote:
> Frankly I'm sorry I even bothered with it. But
>I guess my naiveté, got in the way, my daddy raised me that when someone ask
>for help if you can render it then jump to the front of the pack, something
>I've done all my life I guess times they have changed. I'll know better
>next time.
>
I pointed out that you could get a copy electronically is effectively
0 time. But now you want some one else to jump through hoops and
figure out what the changes are for you, and have the gall to rail at
us for not doing so??????
jk
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| Clive Dive 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
| Hi, I cannot for one minute help you as I am a UK Electrical Engineer,
but....maybe you can help me!
Is there anywhere online I can get a copy or summary or guide to the US
standards for Electrical Installations? Purely for reference purposes,I
have no intention 'coming over there and joining in!'. Merely from a
professional viewpoint I am interested/nosey to see how 'other people do
it'
Thanks
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| Ed Price 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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"4SimplerTimes" <4Simplertimes@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:jh8ke.1089$yp.799@fed1read02...
> Once again some did not read. THE ORIGINAL SPEC WAS NFPA 70B, NOT 110,
> which I have a current copy of on my shelf. It was the inspector on the
> project who erred, not I, in point of fact I am the one who requested that
> he confirm his original information and by out of date I simply mean my
> last issue is the 1999-110. It never ceases to amaze me these days how
> people WHO DO NOT KNOW OUR BUSINESS STRUCTURE, can make judgments they are
> not in a position to even be aware of. Instead of responding to the
> simple request, "What changes were made?" they have to cast about with
> garbage. If you can't offer the assistance or you don't know then as my
> old Grandmother used to say stay out of the conversation. Damn you people
> are some of the most arrogant bunch I have run across in years. This
> group used to be far more congenial in the old days, Frankly I'm sorry I
> even bothered with it. But I guess my naiveté, got in the way, my daddy
> raised me that when someone ask for help if you can render it then jump to
> the front of the pack, something I've done all my life I guess times they
> have changed. I'll know better next time.
>
Nobody gives a flying fuck about the imparted wisdom of your ancestors
(although I would venture to say that if their attitude was similar to
yours, it's amazing they survived long enough to create progeny).
Further, whatever your "business structure", it cannot excuse ignorance and
antagonism. You long for the "simpler times", doubtless when the vendor was
always right and troublesome inspectors could be greased away. Now let me
get this straight; you "were originally informed and EXPECTED", your specs
were "terribly out of date", but it was "the inspector on the project who
erred."
Awwww, poor baby! What an injustice they have done to you! Meanwhile, if any
lawyers have been following this thread, they are likely thanking God for
schmucks like you.
When you ask a question, you don't always get the answer you expect. If you
had any logical ability, you could learn something from almost every answer.
For instance, I learned from your reply that you are a rude, unimaginative,
antagonistic, narcissistic, ignorant businessman who is sorely challenged by
the contemporary regulatory compliance environment. Thus, it is pointless to
offer any further comment.
--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA
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| Wayne R. 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
| I'm curious... Does anyone know what the changes were? And the reasons
for the, I hope, improvement?
I don't expect hardcore details...just some idea of how/why these
things evolve.
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| HorneTD 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
| Clive Dive wrote:
quote:
> Hi, I cannot for one minute help you as I am a UK Electrical Engineer,
> but....maybe you can help me!
>
> Is there anywhere online I can get a copy or summary or guide to the US
> standards for Electrical Installations? Purely for reference purposes,I
> have no intention 'coming over there and joining in!'. Merely from a
> professional viewpoint I am interested/nosey to see how 'other people do
> it'
> Thanks
>
>
The US National Electric Code is Published by the National Fire
Protection Association which survives by selling copies of the standards
that are developed under their system. This relieves the government of
the cost of development and distribution but it makes access for the
casual or occasional user difficult or expensive. The US NEC is adopted
into law by reference so only the adopting statute has to be published
at government expense. <http://www.nfpa.org> will take you to their web
sight were you can buy a copy for downloading but it is not cheap.
--
Tom Horne
Well we aren't no thin blue heroes and yet we aren't no blackguards to.
We're just working men and woman most remarkable like you.
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"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
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> It's always a bit puzzling, when people claim "they are perfectly capable
> of getting the job done", yet they attempt major ventures with tools and
> standards that are "terribly out of date." If there's any "Monkey" in this
> issue, I don't think it's the inspector, as he seems to be just trying to
> hold your work to the current industry standard. I suggest this is a good
> "wake-up call" that points out a major weakness in your business; how can
> you possibly accurately quote and enter into contract to sell goods that
> may or may not be in compliance with prevailing legal and/or industry
> standards? Your current practices almost guarantee non-compliant products
> and leave you wide-open to liability claims.
>
> What you don't know can kill you.
>
> --
> Ed
> WB6WSN
> El Cajon, CA USA
>
`fess up ed you don`t know either
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| Roy Q.T. 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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From PCK)
"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
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It's always a bit puzzling, when people claim "they are perfectly
capable of getting the job done", yet they attempt major ventures with
tools and standards that are "terribly out of date." If there's any
"Monkey" in this issue, I don't think it's the inspector, as he seems to
be just trying to hold your work to the current industry standard. I
suggest this is a good "wake-up call" that points out a major weakness
in your business; how can you possibly accurately quote and enter into
contract to sell goods that may or may not be in compliance with
prevailing legal and/or industry standards? Your current practices
almost guarantee non-compliant products and leave you wide-open to
liability claims.
What you don't know can kill you.
--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA
`fess up ed you don`t know either
*yeah & from a guy who doesn't give a F F he sure got rather rasp &
adversarial
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| Ed Price 2005-06-17, 11:31 pm |
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"PCK" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
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> `fess up ed you don`t know either
>
True, I am not expert on the building code which the OP was bitching about.
All of my comments were directed toward the concept of trying to do business
with an unclear contractual relationship and out-of-date tools
(specifications).
Now, do you have anything constructive to say?
--
Ed
WB6WSN
El Cajon, CA USA
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