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MPO

2005-07-06, 11:25 pm

I recently moved a small building to a ranch where there is no
electricity service. The building had been connected to the power
company and has a Service Entrance Panel on it. I want to connect it to
a 5500 Watts 120/240 Volt Generator. The Generator has a bonded
neutral. The neutral and ground are bonded at the Service Entrance
Panel. Because the Generator has a bonded neutral and the Service
Entrance Panel ground and neutral are bonded, my question is this.


How should I connect the generator at the Service Entrance Panel?


Since the Generator will be the only power supply I was trying to avoid
buying a Transfer Switch. I was going to "unbond" the neutral and
ground at the Service Entrance Panel and connect the 2 power leads,
neutral and ground from the Generator to the corresponding connections
on the Service Entrance Panel. Will this work or am I screwing up?


Thanks for your help.

Eric Tappert

2005-07-06, 11:25 pm

On 6 Jul 2005 14:44:14 -0700, "MPO" <mpo@usa.com> wrote:
quote:

>I recently moved a small building to a ranch where there is no
>electricity service. The building had been connected to the power
>company and has a Service Entrance Panel on it. I want to connect it to
>a 5500 Watts 120/240 Volt Generator. The Generator has a bonded
>neutral. The neutral and ground are bonded at the Service Entrance
>Panel. Because the Generator has a bonded neutral and the Service
>Entrance Panel ground and neutral are bonded, my question is this.
>
>
>How should I connect the generator at the Service Entrance Panel?
>
>
>Since the Generator will be the only power supply I was trying to avoid
>buying a Transfer Switch. I was going to "unbond" the neutral and
>ground at the Service Entrance Panel and connect the 2 power leads,
>neutral and ground from the Generator to the corresponding connections
>on the Service Entrance Panel. Will this work or am I screwing up?
>
>
>Thanks for your help.



If you are in the US, you need to either unbond the ground and neutral
at the generator (and connect the generator frame to an equipment
grounding conductor) and use a 2 pole transfer switch OR use a three
pole transfer switch. Be sure to follow all local codes. Other
techniques are often discussed in these groups, but they tend to be
hazardous and perhaps fatal. Do it right. A transfer switch for this
size generator is only about $100 - 200 at the local home center and
typically provides a half a dozen branch circuits. The connection
from the generator to the transfer switch should not use a "suicide
cord" with a male plug at both ends. Use a female cord "plug" and
male receptical (recessed) attached to the building for the
connection. This receptical is often supplied with the transfer
switch.

Don't forget to start the generator before connecting loads.

Eric Tappert


No Spam

2005-07-07, 11:25 pm

Eric Tappert wrote:
quote:

> On 6 Jul 2005 14:44:14 -0700, "MPO" <mpo@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> If you are in the US, you need to either unbond the ground and neutral
> at the generator (and connect the generator frame to an equipment
> grounding conductor) and use a 2 pole transfer switch OR use a three
> pole transfer switch. Be sure to follow all local codes. Other
> techniques are often discussed in these groups, but they tend to be
> hazardous and perhaps fatal. Do it right. A transfer switch for this
> size generator is only about $100 - 200 at the local home center and
> typically provides a half a dozen branch circuits. The connection
> from the generator to the transfer switch should not use a "suicide
> cord" with a male plug at both ends. Use a female cord "plug" and
> male receptical (recessed) attached to the building for the
> connection. This receptical is often supplied with the transfer
> switch.
>
> Don't forget to start the generator before connecting loads.
>
> Eric Tappert


Can you explain why he needs a transfer switch. You could be
right, but I want to know. He said there is no electric service
where the building is relocated. So transfer from what?

Eric Tappert

2005-07-07, 11:25 pm

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 18:22:10 -0500, No Spam <no.spam@hotmail.com>
wrote:
quote:

>Eric Tappert wrote:
>
>Can you explain why he needs a transfer switch. You could be
>right, but I want to know. He said there is no electric service
>where the building is relocated. So transfer from what?



Sorry, I misread the opening lines of the original post. If there is
no utility service and the genny is the only source, a transfer switch
is not needed. The neutral and the earth ground should be connected
at the genny, and NOT connected at the panel (assuming the genny has a
breaker, which would become the "servide disconnet"). A ground rod
should be driven at the genny and also at the panel location
(connected the the equipment grounding conductor, not the neutral).
An equipment grounding conductor should be run between the genny and
the panel (i.e. 4 wires, two hot, a neutral that is grounded at the
generator, and an equipment grounding conductor). Don't forget the
building disconnect (could be the main breaker in the subpanel or up
to six switches or breakers co-located).

If there is a chance that the utility power would ever be reconnected,
a transfer switch makes sense.

Eric Tappert
MPO

2005-07-08, 12:25 pm

This was how I was planning on connecting the generator except I was
only going to place a grounding rod at the generator. Can you explain
why I would also need a grounding rod at the service entrance panel? Is
this just an extra precaution or a necessity?

Thank you for your help.

Eric Tappert

2005-07-08, 12:25 pm

On 8 Jul 2005 03:05:42 -0700, "MPO" <mpo@usa.com> wrote:
quote:

>This was how I was planning on connecting the generator except I was
>only going to place a grounding rod at the generator. Can you explain
>why I would also need a grounding rod at the service entrance panel? Is
>this just an extra precaution or a necessity?
>
>Thank you for your help.



NEC section 250.32 requires each building that recieves power from a
feeder (which is your case, as the "service disconnect" is at the
separately derived source, i.e. the generator) "shall have a grounding
electrode". Actually, it needs a grounding electrode system per
section 250.50. I suspect that there is no underground metallic
piping or structural reinforcement in the footers of the building that
are accessible, so this really means a ground rod. Actually two
ground rods unless you can demonstrate the resistance to ground is
less than 25 Ohms (unlikely in most of the US). There is an exception
for a single branch circuit, but that doesn't appear to apply here.

The idea behind this is that every building or structure with a power
entrance should have a local grounding system. In the case of a
utility feed, the neutral is bonded to this local system. In the case
of a feeder supply, the equipment grounding conductor only is bonded
to this system (the neutral is bonded to the equipment grounding
conductor at the service disconnect means or the first circuit breaker
from a separately derived source).

Section 250.30 requires a grounding electrode at the generator. A rod
is OK if there is not a metallic water pipe or structural steel
available (which is unlikely for a little genny on a pad...).

The applicable sections referenced above are in the 2005 NEC. The
rules, however, have not changed over the years even though the
section numbers have due to editorial issues.

If the generator is physically within a few feet of the building, you
might get the local jurisdiction having authority to allow just one
grounding electrode system to ground both the premises and the
generator.

Hope this helps. I would recommend the NEC handbook (available from
the NFPA) as a good reference in that it contains a lot of
explainatory information in addition to the entire code.

Eric Tappert


Eric Tappert

2005-07-08, 12:25 pm

On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:39:58 GMT, Eric Tappert
<e.tappert.spamnot@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
quote:

>On 8 Jul 2005 03:05:42 -0700, "MPO" <mpo@usa.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>NEC section 250.32 requires each building that recieves power from a
>feeder (which is your case, as the "service disconnect" is at the
>separately derived source, i.e. the generator) "shall have a grounding
>electrode". Actually, it needs a grounding electrode system per
>section 250.50. I suspect that there is no underground metallic
>piping or structural reinforcement in the footers of the building that
>are accessible, so this really means a ground rod. Actually two
>ground rods unless you can demonstrate the resistance to ground is
>less than 25 Ohms (unlikely in most of the US). There is an exception
>for a single branch circuit, but that doesn't appear to apply here.
>
>The idea behind this is that every building or structure with a power
>entrance should have a local grounding system. In the case of a
>utility feed, the neutral is bonded to this local system. In the case
>of a feeder supply, the equipment grounding conductor only is bonded
>to this system (the neutral is bonded to the equipment grounding
>conductor at the service disconnect means or the first circuit breaker
>from a separately derived source).
>
>Section 250.30 requires a grounding electrode at the generator. A rod
>is OK if there is not a metallic water pipe or structural steel
>available (which is unlikely for a little genny on a pad...).
>
>The applicable sections referenced above are in the 2005 NEC. The
>rules, however, have not changed over the years even though the
>section numbers have due to editorial issues.
>
>If the generator is physically within a few feet of the building, you
>might get the local jurisdiction having authority to allow just one
>grounding electrode system to ground both the premises and the
>generator.
>
>Hope this helps. I would recommend the NEC handbook (available from
>the NFPA) as a good reference in that it contains a lot of
>explainatory information in addition to the entire code.
>
>Eric Tappert
>



PS - all of this assumes that livestock isn't housed in the building
or that the building doesn't fall under the definition in article 547,
Agricultural Buildings. If this structure is an "Agricultural
Building", rules of article 547 add lots of additional requirements,
including an equipotential plane...

ET
Thomas Horne

2006-01-13, 3:21 pm

MPO wrote:
> I recently moved a small building to a ranch where there is no
> electricity service. The building had been connected to the power
> company and has a Service Entrance Panel on it. I want to connect it to
> a 5500 Watts 120/240 Volt Generator. The Generator has a bonded
> neutral. The neutral and ground are bonded at the Service Entrance
> Panel. Because the Generator has a bonded neutral and the Service
> Entrance Panel ground and neutral are bonded, my question is this.
>
>
> How should I connect the generator at the Service Entrance Panel?
>
>
> Since the Generator will be the only power supply I was trying to avoid
> buying a Transfer Switch. I was going to "unbond" the neutral and
> ground at the Service Entrance Panel and connect the 2 power leads,
> neutral and ground from the Generator to the corresponding connections
> on the Service Entrance Panel. Will this work or am I screwing up?
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>


As long as you only bond it in one of the two places you are code
compliant.
--
Tom Horne
SQLit

2006-01-14, 2:21 pm


"Thomas Horne" <hornetd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:fQSxf.7672$%W1.4291@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> MPO wrote:
>
> As long as you only bond it in one of the two places you are code
> compliant.
> --
> Tom Horne


I agree, but do not forget to ground the generator.

Since the bonding is done in the generator, I would consider isolating the
neutrals and grounds in the service and then using a "extension cord" type
connection. Twist locks cause of the vibration. As long as your "cord" has
enough wires and connected properly you good to go.

I mention the extension cord concept so you can take the genny with you and
still use it safely on other projects. If you modify the neutral/bond
connection inside the genny then it does not pass the osha rules for
portable power.


Thomas Horne

2006-01-14, 10:21 pm

SQLit wrote:
> "Thomas Horne" <hornetd@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:fQSxf.7672$%W1.4291@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> I agree, but do not forget to ground the generator.
>
> Since the bonding is done in the generator, I would consider isolating the
> neutrals and grounds in the service and then using a "extension cord" type
> connection. Twist locks cause of the vibration. As long as your "cord" has
> enough wires and connected properly you good to go.
>
> I mention the extension cord concept so you can take the genny with you and
> still use it safely on other projects. If you modify the neutral/bond
> connection inside the genny then it does not pass the osha rules for
> portable power.
>
>

If an NEMA 14-XX cord is used the frame of the generator will be
grounded via the Equipment Grounding Conductor of the cord set. In that
case you can consider the green wire of the cord set as being the
Grounding Electrode Conductor of the generator.
--
Tom Horne
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